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Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)
Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer

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To: Iscool

Grace doesn’t remove sin, it is the state we are in when we are free of sin, and can share in the Divine life.


261 posted on 01/25/2015 5:59:53 AM PST by I-ambush (Don't let it bring you down, it's only castles burning)
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To: metmom
If you insist that Mary is the mother of God because she's the mother of Jesus, then you are denying Jesus' humanity and falling into the error of modalism.

Explain why saying that Mary is the mother of God denies the humanity of Jesus.

Jesus has two nature, divine and human. But he is one divine Person. So it is IMPOSSIBLE for Mary to be the mother of Jesus without being the mother of God.

262 posted on 01/25/2015 6:01:02 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Elsie
They have trouble proving that the Word of Jesus and teachings of the Catholic Church are false.
Well; when you link them like THIS!!

We've NO problem with the stuff you guys have come up with (so far) that is NOT found in the Bible.

I am not exactly sure what you mean by your comment, but I interpret it to mean that you have proved God's Word and the teachings of His Church false.

You may think that you proved something false, but your talking points don't address the issue directly and your responses are either misdirected to other issues or they are merely personal opinion (or talking points).

Just one example where you completely ignore the direct words of Jesus and actually reject the teachings of Jesus and His Church.

For example the Eucharist John 6: 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”a

263 posted on 01/25/2015 6:02:09 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: Elsie

Yes, Mary and Joseph were faithful Jews, so they made the offering in accordance with the law; do you believe that childbirth really makes the woman impure? Do you believe that physical deformity or infirmity implies sinfulness, as did Jews of the time?


264 posted on 01/25/2015 6:05:40 AM PST by I-ambush (Don't let it bring you down, it's only castles burning)
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To: sauropod
>>Mary as Mother of God, defending her immaculate conception, perpetual virginity, assumption into heaven, her Queenship,<<

I have the utmost respect for Mary as the woman who was blessed to bring about by sinless birth the Messiah.

With that said, Mary the Mother of God, perpetual virginity and assumption into heaven and queenship is simply not scriptural.

Show me biblical scripture that proves the above and I will believe it. It's not there. Mary was a created being that found favor with God, but so was numerous others throughout the bible.

Seems in some catholic circles, there is much more emphasis on Mary than on the Messiah Jesus. Looks backward to me.

265 posted on 01/25/2015 6:09:19 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: metmom
GOD has no mother, no beginning. Jesus did. Jesus was born. God wasn't.

Why do you constantly raise this objection when it has NOTHING TO DO with the title "Mother of God." Once again, the title "Mother of God" has NEVER meant that Mary is the origin of the eternal, Triune God. It has always meant that, because Mary is the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is one divine Person, not two persons, Mary is the mother of God.

You seem to be a user of the English language, yet when it comes to this issue, you seem to lapse into a kind of psychosis, in which language makes no impression on you. When you look at the words I write, do you see words, or just random letters? Or is it all a blur?

266 posted on 01/25/2015 6:12:51 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: caww

Well said.


267 posted on 01/25/2015 6:13:15 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: caww
>>Additionally....If one adheres to the “Universal Church” language then that does lend one to flow along with the ‘One World Church’ we are warned about...which today often signifies itself as the “Universal Church”.<<

Which we only need watch the current efforts to bring all religions together lead by the pope to understand is already happening.

268 posted on 01/25/2015 6:15:48 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: I-ambush
>>Then Angels are sinless...<<

That brings about a question in my mind. If the angels are sinless...do they not have free will? Just asking...curious because satan was the greatest of the angels, he and a third of the angels were cast out of heaven for sins against God...right?

269 posted on 01/25/2015 6:17:57 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Iscool; deputytess; Arthur McGowan
The Jesus who now sits at the right hand of God is not Mary's son

So how was Jesus delivered? Cesarean? Did Jesus not live in Mary's womb? Was Jesus not born of a woman?

If you're going to thump your Bible, you should at least read it.

Jesus is both Heavenly Father's and Mary's son. He announces so himself on the cross.

Does anybody still read the Bible or do they just stake out a position and support it with a snippet?

270 posted on 01/25/2015 6:23:55 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: servantboy777

Freewill is the nature of this world and angels have it too, as you’ve just demonstrated.


271 posted on 01/25/2015 6:25:05 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: servantboy777

The Angels have free will, but, as purely spiritual beings, exist outside of time. They make their choice to love and obey God once, for all eternity.


272 posted on 01/25/2015 6:30:19 AM PST by I-ambush (Don't let it bring you down, it's only castles burning)
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To: ADSUM
You mean like God's words "thou shalt not eat the blood"? Or the Holy Spirit through the apostles again in Acts 15 to not eat the blood?
273 posted on 01/25/2015 6:32:05 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom

Please tell me whether the following syllogism is formally valid or invalid:

Emily is the mother of Sam.
Sam is a fireman.
Emily is the mother of a fireman.

Then, please tell me whether the following syllogism is formally valid or invalid.

Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Mary is the mother of God.

That’s two yes-or-no questions.


274 posted on 01/25/2015 6:44:03 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: I-ambush; what's up
>>gave her to the members of His church to be their own mother<<

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

>>Just hypothetically, if you were to know God did will<<

We know what "God did will". We don't need the Catholic Church "hypothetically".

275 posted on 01/25/2015 6:55:59 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The 7 Capital Sins and their Contrary Virtues
Capital Sin
Definition
Contrary Virtue

Pride Unrestrained appreciation of our own worth
Humility
Greed Immoderate desire for earthly goods
Liberality
Lust Hankering for impure pleasures
Chastity
Anger Inordinate desire for revenge
Meekness
Gluttony Unrestrained use of food and drink
Temperance
Envy Sorrow over another’s good fortune
Brotherly Love
Sloth Laxity in keeping the Faith and the practice of virtue
Diligence

Note:
The 7 Capital Sins, also known as “The 7 Deadly Sins,” are those sins that give rise to other sins. They were first enumerated by Pope St. Gregory the Great in “Moralia in Job.”


The 6 Sins against the Holy Ghost
Presumption
Despair
Resisting the known truth
Envy of another’s spiritual good
Obstinacy in sin
Final impenitence

The 4 Sins that Cry Out to Heaven
Willful murder
The sin of Sodom
Oppression of the poor
Defrauding laborers of their wages

Note:
Genesis 4, Genesis 18, Exodus 2, James 5, respectively. Elaboration on “the sin of Sodom,” from the Douay Catholic Catechism of 1649, Chapter XX: “The sin of Sodom, or carnal sin against nature, which is a voluntary shedding of the seed of nature, out of the due use of marriage, or lust with a different sex.” In other words, do not think that this particular sin is just about acting on homosexual impulses; it isn’t.


3 Conditions for Mortal Sin
Grave matter
Full knowledge
Deliberate consent

Note:
From the Catechism of St. Pius X, “The Main Kinds of Sin,” Question 9-10:
Q: What injury does mortal sin do the soul?
A: (1) Mortal sin deprives the soul of grace and of the friendship of God; (2) It makes it lose Heaven; (3) It deprives it of merits already acquired, and renders it incapable of acquiring new merits; (4) It makes it the slave of the devil; (5) It makes it deserve hell as well as the chastisements of this life.
Q: Besides grave matter, what is required to constitute a mortal sin?
A: To constitute a mortal sin, besides grave matter there is also required full consciousness of the gravity of the matter, along with the deliberate will to commit the sin.


276 posted on 01/25/2015 7:06:24 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: Salvation; ifinnegan
>>Her last words in the Bible are "Do whatever he tells you."<<

So why don't Catholics do that? His direction for prayer was to pray to the Father directly. Never once did He tell us that Mary or one of your so called "saints" would be tasked with performing certain functions for people on earth.

277 posted on 01/25/2015 7:20:46 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan; metmom

Those are simply weasel words.


278 posted on 01/25/2015 7:23:08 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom

Catholics understand the dual nature of Jesus as human and divine. It was stated that the Word became Flesh. The two natures are combined and not separate.

So through the grace and actions of God, Mary became the Mother of God, Jesus, both his human and divine natures.

So do you not believe that God can do all things? Do you not believe that Jesus is both God and human? So do you split Jesus in half and deny that He is both? Your logic and reason escapes me.

Did you listen to whole interview of Tim Staples where he explains the importance of Mary and the need to accept her as the Mother of God?


279 posted on 01/25/2015 7:23:19 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: terycarl; what's up
>>Yeah, right...for one thousand six hundred years Christ ignored His church<<

NO, Christ new all along who is called out were. In spite of the apostate Catholic Church who tried to replace that ekklesia Christ protected His called out from the atrocities of that false religion and when technology was in place to supply His word to all people inspired some to rise up and avail themselves of that technology to enable the light to shine and bring His word to "all the world" in spite of the efforts of the usurper to confine it.

280 posted on 01/25/2015 7:28:32 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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