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Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)
Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer

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To: Elsie
and it's AUTHORITATIVE leaders!!

In my spare time I looked up your information source...a book by E.R.Chamberlin with a 3.7 rating and available many places on the internet for $1.00 (Kindle version for $.99)

I could locate no information at all on the author to see what his qualifications were. The Popes described were in officw for a total of 71 years and 134 days. The office of the Pope has existed for 2,015 years and 30 days so their average isn't that bad.....71/2015 isn't a real large fraction.

The main problem with the ones who caused the most concern was that they were hand in hand with crooked political figures of their time....their moral failures were just that...men being evil men.

It is aan interesting insight however and I'll read a little more about them

Another fraction of interest is 8/266....that's bad Popes over all Popes, another miniscule fraction....not good of course, but I'd bet that the fraction of bad presidents/all presidents would be worse and this country is only a little over 200 years old.

1,781 posted on 01/30/2015 6:25:52 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl; Elsie

E.R.Chamberlin also wrote Antichrist and the Millennium....that also sounds like a real winner.


1,782 posted on 01/30/2015 6:28:26 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
2nd amendment mama to terycarl Nope! You are totally incorrect! The Catholic church DID, in fact, ban laity from owning and reading the Bible. Instead of parroting what the priests have taught you, you should do your own research.

You are right....in the middle ages there were perverted forms of the Bible or renditions of portions of it which the church rightly condemned.

Remember, in those days the church was the ONLY protector of the Christian Bible and they became VERY testy when heretics challenged their authority. They feared that peopple were being led away from Christianity toward pagan or otherwise errant beliefs. This has nothing to do with the reformation, it was well before that and those who opposed the church were in no way Christian.

The 10 hundreds, 11 hundreds and 12 hundreds were when most of this took place.

1,783 posted on 01/30/2015 6:37:27 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: delchiante

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You’re thrashing in the deepest of darkness.

Yehova’s Sabbaths have no relationship to his Months.

The Sabbath has run continuously, every seven days, sunset to sunset from the first day of creation, without interruption.

The only eighth day that has significance is The Last Great Day, the eighth day from the beginning of Sukkot, the 23rd day of the seventh month.

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1,784 posted on 01/30/2015 6:44:44 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: metmom

Rome has set the world’s timekeeping..

Scripture has a different calendar. Layered throughout scripture..

The two are not the same..

One is a counterfeit that leads others to counterfeit worship..

We have a choice... sola scriptura or sola Roma..


1,785 posted on 01/30/2015 6:55:34 PM PST by delchiante
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To: delchiante

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Passover, 6015 begins at sundown, April 3, Unleavened Bread begins 24 hours later, which will be a lunar eclipse. Firstfruits, at its conclusion at sundown, April 11.

This will be the first time since the temple was sacked that Orthodox Judaism will celebrate Passover on the Biblically correct day.


1,786 posted on 01/30/2015 6:56:41 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Elsie

I read that if you owned one, they gave you a few days to turn it in or you would be arrested. I don’t understand why people keep denying it.


1,787 posted on 01/30/2015 7:07:18 PM PST by MamaB
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To: terycarl
You are right....in the middle ages there were perverted forms of the Bible or renditions of portions of it which the church rightly condemned.

Now you're just fabricating things! These weren't perverted forms of the Bible.

1,788 posted on 01/30/2015 7:07:54 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: MamaB

I was thinking of Christ’s rule as described in Jeremiah31:33”But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34”They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”…


1,789 posted on 01/30/2015 7:10:23 PM PST by mdmathis6 ("trapped by hyenas, Bill had as much life expectancy as a glass table at a UVA Frat house party!/s)
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To: editor-surveyor

Explain Ezekiel 46 and his detailing three different days..

New moon, six work days and sabbath?

There are three different days..

Do have a concordance?
I would like you to explain how new moons, Sabbaths and feasts are clumped ‘together’ in about ten different verses under ‘moons 2320.

Scripture isolates those days as different..

And Ezekiel confirms this..

What is the new moon if it isn’t one of those six work days or the weekly Sabbath?

The world can’t explain it.. they don’t know how to categorize a new moon day..

He categorized it as an appointed time.. a time for banquets, feasting, special offerings and the markets to be closed..

Sounds a lot like a sabbath.. but He himse
f differentiates them from Sabbaths..

I didn’t.. He did.. I am just taking an inductive view of scripture and not a deductive view

And when the moon phase is 29.5 days on average, His calendar works perfectly through that..

Every one of His months has four Sabbaths.. one new moon day that starts His months.. 24 work days and four Sabbaths..
(A little different in the 7th month but we discuaaed why earlier)

And then a search for the new moon on the 29th day, at sunset of His Sabbath.. there are people who do that in Israel (and around the world) every cycle..
They don’t all see the Kingdom calendar, but they do see how important new moon days are to our Sovereign..

Those feasts that land on a full moon isn’t an accident.. that is what happens 14-15 days from the new moon..


1,790 posted on 01/30/2015 7:16:13 PM PST by delchiante
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To: CynicalBear

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You’re the main Grace nullifier here.

Grace is solely for those that have a heart for his way. If you don’t love his way, it can only be because you don’t know him. Love is the deciding factor; as he said, those that love him keep his commandments.

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1,791 posted on 01/30/2015 7:23:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: delchiante

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Ezekiel 46 has absolutely nothing to do with timing of the Sabbaths.

The opening of the chapter is explaining which days the east gate will be shut or opened.

It is normally open only on the Sabbath, but the new moon is an exception to that rule.

A little reading comprehension would be helpful! Verse three and six make it clear that new moons and Sabbaths are two separate things.

Very little of your posts make any sense on this.

Study Leviticus to understand the meanings of the offerings.

You have shown yourself to be the world so far.

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1,792 posted on 01/30/2015 7:36:34 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: boatbums
"I think there is far more evidence that the Apostles all deserted Jesus during and after the crucifixion than there is that they stayed with him as he endured it all. It was only John and the women we are told in Scripture that were there. The others were afraid for their lives and hiding from the authorities."

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There is absolutely no evidence at all, one way or the other.    The Bible is silent as to where the other Apostles were during the crucifixion, and all that anyone can do today concerning that question is to speculate.

(We do know, however, that in his curiosity, Peter had tried once before to "hide in a crowd", but was discovered by someone who recognized him.    We also know there was probably some kind of sizeable crowd on the outside edges of the hill where Jesus was crucified, witnessing the crucifixions from a distance, and we know that with the kind of clothing worn in the Holy Land (both then and now), it is relatively easy to "hide in a crowd", if one is more careful than Peter apparently was in the courtyard.    John and some of the women were up closer to the cross.)

1,793 posted on 01/30/2015 8:38:13 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Elsie
";just as there will be false teachers among you,'

'Who is the "you"?? CATHOLICS!!!'"


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Exactly!

And who are the"false teachers"?

PROTESTANTS!!!

1,794 posted on 01/30/2015 8:43:21 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
Now you're just fabricating things! These weren't perverted forms of the Bible.

Yeah, they were...there were NO OTHER CHRISTIANS THERE...the reformation didn't take place for another 300 years...

1,795 posted on 01/30/2015 8:44:48 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Elsie
"None of them took me up on it."

"I was one of them; who pointed out what you had typed. (Just in case some folks can't figger how to go BACK to see what was said to BEGIN with.)"


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Yes, you pointed out what I typed in your post post #1281, and you did not offer to take that bet.    Are you offering to take that wager now based on what I typed?
1,796 posted on 01/30/2015 8:45:50 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: CynicalBear
">>In the English language, the term "being with Christ on the cross" can mean being "on the cross with Christ" (like the nails were), or it can also mean being "at the location where Christ is on the cross".<<"

"In what country would that be so? I can't even imagine a grown adult making that statement."


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Go check with an English teacher, CynicalBear.    You will find out that that statement is correct.
1,797 posted on 01/30/2015 8:47:07 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Heart-Rest

Baloney. Catholics are the ones who do not go by what the Bible says. I think we have seen that proven on these threads.


1,798 posted on 01/30/2015 8:47:40 PM PST by MamaB
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To: CynicalBear
"Scripture and prophecies??? When did "prophecy of Scripture" get changed to "prophesy and scripture?"

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Sometimes, I really can't believe what you post, CynicalBear.

Is "prophecy of Scripture" prophecy?

Is "prophecy of Scripture" Scripture?

If the answer to both of those questions is "yes", then "prophecy of Scripture" is "Scripture and prophecies"!

1,799 posted on 01/30/2015 8:48:28 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Heart-Rest; boatbums
"I think there is far more evidence that the Apostles all deserted Jesus during and after the crucifixion than there is that they stayed with him as he endured it all. It was only John and the women we are told in Scripture that were there. The others were afraid for their lives and hiding from the authorities

The Bible also says that tombs were opened and many were raised from the dead...I'd kind of like to know what they looked like and where they all went...

1,800 posted on 01/30/2015 8:49:54 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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