Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer
Placemarker
Can you point me to any teachings or commentaries that expand on this?
Do you not understand that the Northern Kingdom of Israel was led captive and dispersed across the length of the Mediterranean for worshiping those days?
Attaching Yeshua’s name to them compounds the sin.
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Do you think the Holy Spirit would not have provided a means to the fledgling church to discern what was from God and what was not? The Apostle Paul wrote in his letter to the church at Thessaloniki:
To the Roman churches, Paul wrote:
The Apostle John, in his epistle, cautioned believers:
There are many other passages that teach the same thing so it is not at all difficult to see that there was a growing recognition and acceptance of the writings of the Apostles and their disciples as sacred Scripture. Believers were held responsible to ensure these writings were copied, distributed AND obeyed - much like the ancient Jews unto whom were entrusted the "Oracles of God". It was the job of the "church" leaders to make sure this happened, but it was certainly not their job to dictate to the Apostles which writings they would receive or not. Notice Paul warned them to withdraw fellowship from those who refused to receive the teachings and instructions they were given. That doesn't sound to me like the church had the "authority" to make such choices. That they refused to accord the same recognition to spurious writings later on, is a testimony of the sound teaching they had been given from Jesus' hand-chosen disciples who were to build His church.
I know this may make some Roman Catholics' heads explode, but the church at that time is every bit a part of the legacy of ALL genuine Christians as it is claimed exclusively by the Roman Catholic church. It doesn't matter what ones church is identified as just as long as the teachings they hold are backed up by the same rule of faith as that given at the start. Whatever "debt" is thought owed to the Catholic church, we know that the true glory goes to Almighty God who has never left us without the knowledge of the truth. If a church cannot prove their doctrines by God's one and only OBJECTIVE rule of faith - the Holy Scriptures - then they are not binding upon all Christians, no matter what they may claim is their history.
I am pretty much an expert when it comes to recognizing those trying to excuse their own poor choices...they usually go out of their way trying to prove others wrong so that they can justify, in their own minds, the poor choices that they have made.
If you recall a couple of years ago, there were Hollywood types "threatening" to move out of the United States if so and so were elected president. They were going to make the poor decision to give up their citizenship and blame it on those who did something that they did not agree with....same syndrome!!
Over their 2,000++ year history, the Catholic church has a handful of bad leaders. There have been Catholic persons who have made some poor decisions but NEVER a decision which, in any way, jeopardized the truth of Christianity.We have politicians and public figures who constantly cause scandal to the church and why they aren't tossed out is a very good question but individual bad behavior does not condenm an entire institution.
There was a post a little while ago concerning something about the face of Christ....that was 1 individual in the world commenting on something that she says happened...that certainly is not Catholic dogma nor should Catholics be held accountable for it. There are about 1.3 billion Catholics in the world and some of them are weird and many do not represent their religion very well...that's just the way humans are...imperfect.
#1...bibles existed
#2...bibles could be purchasedp #3...if you could locate one and afford it, there is no evidence anywhere that you could not buy it... and if you could read it, you might do so...but very few could either afford or read one.
LOL!
I guess you missed my post to you! Go read the evidence that Bibles were banned and Catholics were punished by the Catholic Church for having one!
Nope! You are totally incorrect! The Catholic church DID, in fact, ban laity from owning and reading the Bible. Instead of parroting what the priests have taught you, you should do your own research.
I’m not entirely unsympathetic to some of what such folks are saying...conscience and the work of the Spirit in each person are specific to that person. Yet I know what Paul also said about getting caught up in “grey area” disputes about foods and feast days, and about how “all things are lawful but not all things are expedient”.
Jesus was born into a Jewish Hebrew culture. There are attempts to syncretize Christianity with other religions and there is an attempt to create a “Christian culture” without Christ in it marked by Political Correctness, tolerance, and acceptance of evil sexual norms opposed to traditional Christian family values. The new civic religion will “resemble a form of Godliness but there will be no power in it” as the Bible predicts!
When Christ rules upon the Earth, he will institute rules of worship and living subject to his will and Character. He will rule with a rod of Iron. Even the best Christians in the world who have ever lived or currently live now would chafe under such rules had he or she not been prepared for it. Yet, for those he loves and love him, such a yoke will be borne lightly. What those rules are and what the absolute enforcement of such rules will be like are for God to reveal; only that we know the governance is likened to being “ruled with a rod of iron”.
When I was researching one family of ancestors, I came across the minutes of a church from about 1810. They kicked people out if it for reasons people today would not stand for. One was kicked out for getting into an argument with another man, one for not attending a district church meeting, some for drinking, etc.
You need to read more history. People were forbidden to have Bibles, they could not own a printing device to make their own copies, etc. if they were caught they were charged with crimes or killed. I read an article which said this was still going on about 1823. Will have to research that more.
Luke, speaking in Acts 28:
[22] But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.
[23] And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
[24] And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
[25] And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
[26] Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
[27] For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Paul speaking in 1Corinthians 11:
1] Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
[2] Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
Yeshua speaking in Matthew 5:
[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
There is no other gospel in existence.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah Editor. All true believers are New Testament Christians. Nullify the grace in your own life but leave the rest of us to bask in the grace and freedom which is from Christ.
“Holy face, Batman!”-—Robin
Don’t give them any ideas.
There does seem to be 'evidence' that if you actually OWNED one, and were NOT part of the power players; it would cause you trouble.
Every one of our Sovereign’s months begins with the new moon.
Ezekiel 46 details three different ‘days’.
A new moon day
Six work days
Sabbath
I don’t know how you count but I add those up and get 8..
I am just reading what His Holy Word says.
New moon day, six ( His Word doesn’t say 5, it says 6) work days
And then the Sabbath..
Day 9 of every month - day 14 of every month - work days
( day 14 in leviticus is the day the Passover was to be sacrificed)
Day 15- sabbath
Day 16- 21 every month)- work days.. ( day 16 considered the 1st day of the week..
Now, the new testament confirms that very template..
Killed on the 14th, rested in the tomb on the weekly (and annual, a High Sabbath), and raised the third day. 16th, the first day of the week..
It matches exactly what Ezekiel says.. and that pattern is throughout scripture..
it is why passover ‘seems’ to fall on a different roman day any given year ... but His template never changes..
I am sorry you cant see it..
You seem to know of new moons but apparently advent studied them to know they begin every month..
And according to scripture, they are different than the six work days or the Sabbath..
It is why you have to think the savior was killed on a roman wodens day..
He laid His life down on the 14th day.. not wodens day...
Scripture really lays it out plainly..
Ps- the 14th day for Israel was on a Monday this year..
With His calendar, the 14th is always a work day, prep day. 15th s always a weekly Sabbath (1st and 7th months thy are also annual Sabbaths)
The 16th is always the first day of the week after the Sabbath.
Every montmont
It needs no postponement rules..
And it matches Torah and the new testament with no need from Rome.
What day did you observe first fruits this year?
Or when was your passover?
You can ignore Ezekiel.. it may seem illogical that there are three different days in His Kingdom calendar.
The world sees work days and weekly sabbath.. two different types of days.
His calendar as 3..
Understanding what a new moon is, and what is isn’t, is a study I suggest you endeavor...
It's right here....
Catholics prohibited from owning Scripture
COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.
Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters, Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980 by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195, citing S. R. Maitland, Facts and Documents [illustrative of the history, doctrine and rites, of the ancient Albigenses & Waldenses], London, Rivington, 1832, pp. 192-194.
The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon:
No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion. (-D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.)
Yup - my post #1704 stated similar and had a link to even more info. I love the way they ignore posts that refute what they believe. LOL
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