Then you have the various pictures where the thumb touches the ring finger, such as THIS example...
Or the ones where the index and middle are pointing together...
Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer
Saying *mother of God* says something different than saying *mother of Jesus*.
Yes, I know what the assumption teaches.
The angel Gabriel never asked Mary’s permission about the pregnancy. He told her how it was going to be just like God told lots of people in Scripture before her what they were going to do for Him.
The argument of *Mary could have said “No”* is ludicrous at best and a waste of time no matter what. It’s a hypothetical that has no bearing on reality and is not worth the time even entertaining. I don’t know who thought it up but it doesn’t speak well of the intelligence of that person. It’s about the stupidest argument I’ve heard going. As if God needed Mary’s permission to carry out His plan for redemption of the world.
There is NOTHING that galls a Catholic more than suggesting that Mary either had a sin nature, like the rest of us, or that she did not remain a virgin after the birth of Christ.
They don’t get as worked up about any other single doctrine like they do for those two points.
It reveals their priorities.
15:1–35] The Jerusalem “Council” marks the official rejection of the rigid view that Gentile converts were obliged to observe the Mosaic law completely. From here to the end of Acts, Paul and the Gentile mission become the focus of Luke’s writing.
To use the language of metaphysics, the “substance” is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ, but the “accidents” are of wine. You need to believe in the miracle that Jesus left us with His Body and Blood for our salvation.
There are numerous letters from early Christians that recognize and document this belief in the real presence of Jesus.
Justin Martyr (100 - 165 AD) wrote a number of apologetic works. His “First Apology” was addressed to the Roman Emperor Antoninus Pius as an explanation of Christian practices. Chapter 66, in particular, discusses the practice of the Eucharist and clearly lays out the early Church teaching that it is the Body and Blood of Christ.
“And this food is called among us [the Eucharist]... so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh...”
Some who did not fully understand the Real Presence have prayed to Jesus and asked Him to explain it so they would understand.
Yes, yes, that's for God to determine, and that's correct.
The Holy Spirit inspired, God breathed Scripture says that ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Why do you choose to argue that? Do you know more than HIM?
No, it's a fact. Adam and Eve did not need a savior until they sinned.
People who do no sin, do not need a savior.
Why did Mary need to be sinless?
M-ry is the mother of us ALL!!!
It's right there in the BOOK... somewhere...
The one that stayed at home whines...
If I or others insulted your mother with lies, you would be upset too. I suspect that your comments bother Jesus too.
Our priorities are to spread the Good News of Jesus and help lead others to salvation. The Blessed Mother is part of the Catholic Church and part of the Family (Body of Christ).
Sometimes that can be very elusive to try to help others understand the Word of God.
From the Catechism of the Catholic church....
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm
969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”510
Well, then, you have a problem, because the term *Mediatrix* IS found in the CCC.
So if it's not been defined dogmatically, then why is it in the CCC?
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How then, is it being used in the CCC?
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Who decided to include it in the CCC?
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Being in the CCC, since when are you free to disagree with it or determine (IOW, make your own personal interpretation) its meaning?
Because God determined it to be so.
There’s desperation now, isn’t it?
You are absolutely correct...Sorry, my error...
Post 1072 is directed to terycarl...
Would it be too much to ask for you to post this confirmation?
I’ve been sensing a certain finger position being directed MY way from unknown sources...
Of course any old man could not have been sufficient because all men as sinners and the wages of sin is death.
The effectiveness of Jesus death was because He was without sin and death could not hold Him.
Jesus death wasn't effective because God had to die.
That's up to what? Three now?
God died on the cross?
Who was left to run heaven and raise Jesus from the dead?
Gamecock, your homepage is simply not going to be big enough......
EVERY one of them MOCKED Christianity and did their own thing. Oh what Christ's church has been subjected to by it's adherents!
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You can't make war on the Sabbath??
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