Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer
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>> “.Because your humanist philosophy can’t figure it out means it’s not true?” <<
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By Jove, I think you’ve got it!
You can now be confirmed a catholic.
Actually, I was talking about sports people on tv from that area. When I was up there many years ago, the ones in MN, WI, etc did not enunciate any better than anyone else. The one thing my church choir director taught us back in the 80’s was to enunciate and even overdo it in some songs. He even had a picture of a camel opening his mouth to illustrate crescendo. I have come across Catholic singers and speakers and could not understand a word they were saying. Other networks are just as bad. I have changed stations due to that. That is why I usually have the tv turned to the Easy Listening station. No words. I like some of he others but some have enunciation problems. I remember one song, years ago. I sat here trying to figure out what was being said during the whole song. Is really a shame.
Jews wrote the scriptures.
Who raised Jesus from the dead>
There is a story that St. Augustine was walking on the beach contemplating the mystery of the Trinity. Then he saw a boy in front of him who had dug a hole in the sand and was going out to the sea again and again and bringing some water to pour into the hole. St. Augustine asked him, “What are you doing?” “I’m going to pour the entire ocean into this hole.” “That is impossible, the whole ocean will not fit in the hole you have made” said St. Augustine. The boy replied, “And you cannot fit the Trinity in your tiny little brain.” The story concludes by saying that the boy vanished because St. Augustine had been talking to an angel.
In the same way, we cannot fit Jesus in our tiny little brains. So yes, it is true, there is not a human on earth that understands Christ as God and man.
Having said that, I became involved in this discussion because I could not understand how someone could believe that Mary is the mother of Jesus without also being the mother of God. I think I do now but by all means correct me if I am wrong. I am not adverse to admitting that others may have a better theory.
There are different teachings on Jesus as God and man. One teaching holds that the incarnate Jesus is a single entity, at once God and man. Another teaching, the Nestorian doctrine, holds that there are two separate entities in Jesus, one God and one man.
I seems that this is at the heart of the disagreement on whether Mary is the mother of God. Those who hold that Jesus is the mother of God believe it only in the sense that Jesus is at once God and man. Those who hold that Jesus is not the mother of God believe that Jesus is two separate entities and Mary is the mother of Jesus only in his incarnate form.
Does this make any sense?
As to your saying that I claim that God is one, I’m not sure where you saw that I made that claim. I do believe that there is one God, but in three separate entities, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We can see this separateness in the baptism of the Lord, where the Father was the voice in heaven, the Son was Christ being baptized, and the Spirit was in the form of a dove who came to rest above Jesus.
So as to your question about who raised Jesus from the dead, we know from Scripture that it was God. But which person of the Trinity?
And to your question about who did God raise from the dead, we also know from Scripture that it was Christ. But was it Christ as God and man or was it only the incarnate Christ.
My tiny little brain does not have the answers.
The “yoke of bondage” is the Takanot, and Ma’asim of the Pharisees that was hung on the cross, not the Torah that Paul taught them.
Paul praised the Corinthians and Colossians for keeping the Torah he taught, and you wish to pretend that The Torah of love and liberty is the bondage of the Pharisees, and the pagans?
Think!
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Keep working in that un-scriptural fantasy if you wish.
That's what they teach when they claim what God does not claim, that Mary is the mother of God...
metmom is smarter than Augustine, Albert, Aquinas, etc. And besides, they were all liars, because metmom knows what they REALLY believed.
Are they smarter than you??? Metmom and many other have access to the same information of any of those you listed...What makes you think metmom is not as smart or smarter than your Catholic heroes...
BTW, it has nothing to do with smarts...It has to do with what your heroes write and comparing that with what God has to say in the scriptures...
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>> “There is a story that St. Augustine was walking on the beach contemplating the mystery of the Trinity...” <<
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And you wish to raise your little catholic story to the level of scripture?
Its the nonsense of men.
There is nothing about Yeshua that is left unsaid.
Mary is the mother of a mortal human boy. He had the eternal spirit of God.
Yeshua gave up that eternal spirit before he died, but he didn’t have to give up his mother to die.
That which is mortal cannot be the mother of her immortal creator.
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Well Mary then wouldn't have been a virgin, would she...
I don’t know exactly where it comes from, you are right that there is no scripture explaining it, but it is beautiful. This one I choose to accept without analysis. Sola scriptura people won’t, and I find that sad.
I suspect if you actually believed that God was the author of the scriptures, like we do, you wouldn't be so quick to accept every wind of doctrine that comes down the unbiblical pike...
He might say, WOW, that artist was great in painting his concept of Mary's heart being pierced by a sword.....and it is probably worth a lot of money!!!.....who knows??
The fact still remains. Either the Godhead can be seperated or the nature of Jesus. The death and resurrection of Christ demands that either Jesus had two entities that could be separated or the Godhead can be separated. If you try to separate the Godhead you would be in Mormon or LDS territory.
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OK so the words of Yeshua are un-scriptural fantasy!
Gotcha!
The word is clear and abundant in declaring that the apostles taught Torah, and nothing else.
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WOW, that denomination founded in the 1930's sure came up with a lot of new stuff!!! I think they should copyright it and try to get it added to the Bible!!!
I saw there, that is why I had to correct your rejection of the scripture.
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It is the root of the word “month.”
Actually, as a former Catholic, it is because of what the Catholic Church teaches that I now attend a Bible Based Church. I'd rather follow God's written word and receive his Grace than follow man's legalism which leads to death in the Lord. (Romans 3:21-24)
I thought you said you are a Catholic....
Well Mary then wouldn't have been a virgin, would she...
I think you misread what he/she wrote. The statement wasn't that Mary conceived Jesus in the usual method, but that Mary was conceived by her parents in the usual method.
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