[metmom]

Waldensians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldensians

And there are others who know more about that past.

Perhaps they can direct you to posts of theirs that demonstrate those events.

[HiTech RedNeck]

The movement originated in the late twelfth century as the Poor Men of Lyons, a band organized by Peter Waldo, a wealthy merchant who gave away his property around 1173, preaching apostolic poverty as the way to perfection.

The original Waldo of where's Waldo?

Anyhow, when they embraced the Protestant Revolution they would have had to give up their idea of salvation by works. Again, I think my point stands: having the church mixed up with Caesar gave the church a sword which it could use wickedly.