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To: metmom

But why didn’t anyone speak up in defense of the “truth” that Mary died and was buried?

Not one of the apostles, not one of the Apostolic Fathers or the next generation or the next or the next.

None of them attacked this FRAUD of the Assumption. Nobody.

Your theory is, then, that all of the apostles, and Paul, and the entire next generation, and the next, and the next, were fraudsters.

The entire Christian church was fraudsters.

And yet you take the Scriptures that these fraudsters wrote and assembled seriously?


397 posted on 01/23/2015 4:41:09 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
None of them attacked this FRAUD of the Assumption. Nobody.

Because there was no assumption...And no one claimed there was an assumption...There was nothing to attack...

What an argument...Jesus drove a red corvette into heaven...His license plates were never found so we know it's true...No one back then said he didn't, so he must have...

399 posted on 01/23/2015 4:57:22 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Arthur McGowan

They take Jesus, December 25, good Friday and easter Sunday seriously..

And if one studies enough, all of that is based on catholic mother church traditions..
The only thing that is ‘scriptura’ is the name Jesus and scripture and translators have allowed questions to pop up on the name Jesus too...

The daughters on here are only to quick to pick on her mother, but at their core, they share the same gospel...
And the same Mary..

And they don’t see the irony... almost like it is a mystery to them...


400 posted on 01/23/2015 5:12:52 PM PST by delchiante
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To: Arthur McGowan; metmom
>>The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is founded on the apocryphal treatise De Obitu S. Dominae, bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century.<<

Well, let's take a close look at your statements. Here is what your church says.

From newadvent.org The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is founded on the apocryphal treatise De Obitu S. Dominae, bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century.

If we consult genuine writings in the East, it is mentioned in the sermons of St. Andrew of Crete (740AD)

And again from newadvent.org.

"In the West, St. Gregory of Tours (593 or 594) (De gloria mart., I, iv) mentions it first.

So your statement "Not one of the apostles, not one of the Apostolic Fathers or the next generation or the next or the next." is rather misleading isn't it. Why would we see any of those speak out against the belief if the belief didn't even surface until 100s of years later?

Now re-read the last four sentences of your post again. You're simply building on a false premise. Is that how you teach your parishioners? How gullible do you really think people are?

401 posted on 01/23/2015 5:26:23 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

1 Corinthians 15:22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—

Mary is covered in that all have died because all have sinned part.

She's born of a human mother and father, she has a sin nature and therefore died.

403 posted on 01/23/2015 5:48:08 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
But why didn’t anyone speak up in defense of the “truth” that Mary died and was buried?

That has got to be one of the most idiotic questions asked about her.

Why would they go to the trouble of writing that something which happens to all people happened to her? It would be presumed that she died, just like every one else.

It would only be noteworthy if she hadn't died, and that ought to have been recorded if it had been the case.

There's simply no point in reiterating the obvious.

*Hey folks. Mary died* Wow. who would have thought?

DUH!!!!

404 posted on 01/23/2015 5:51:49 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Arthur McGowan; metmom

Because a true Apostle and Disciple of Jesus Christ doesn’t really care about one of his servants except of the message they brought foward. The focus, attention, and Worship is of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.


410 posted on 01/23/2015 7:00:42 PM PST by mrobisr
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