Posted on 01/21/2015 4:47:04 PM PST by RnMomof7
Please provide a link for the two Church quotes cited. There is no way I know of to search the online Catholic Encyclopedia simply by the numbers given. I would like to read them in context.
Here’s the rub... our Protestant FRiends imagine a Word that spoke from the beginning, through the time of Christ, through the Apostles... and then shut up for the remainder of history. That isn’t what Christ promised. He promised the Holy Spirit to teach all things to His Church. When you search the Bible to find what is the pillar and bulwark of the truth, you don’t find the Bible (which wasn’t codified for centuries after the Apostles), you find the Church (1 Tim 3:15).
Jesus shouldn’t be reduced to words once recorded. He is the living Word of God and our revelation of God is ongoing.
Your quote of Jeremiah also requires context. The cult of the Queen of Heaven was a specific cult in his time... worship of the moon. Their successors continue today in the cult of Islam. Too many times, our Protestant FRiends take passages of the Bible out of context to use as a weapon against fellow Christians... incorrectly.
Yes I believe the Hindus have more gods in their pantheon.
And it’s not like the Indo ME world was isolated from the Roman empire. There was ample trade routes and contact.
Uh... no. You presume too much and also seem to forget that St Paul proudly called himself a pharisee. As such, he believed in the resurrection of the dead (Acts 23:6). The Jewish faith and that of the pharisees was not incorrect. Jesus didn't say they were all wrong. He reproofed their practice of the faith, onerous regulations, and their selfishness. Otherwise, He revealed what they did not understand.
Paging Ralph Woodrow. Recant your recantation of your book, Babylon Mystery Religion?
“Ok so at what point after 100 AD did praying to saints get “introduced”? And by whom? And did anyone object?”
We know it isn’t in the Bible. We know the NT church didn’t practice it. We know it was added later. We know it is a pagan practice.
For any believer in Christ that is enough to disregard it and to object to it.
If you are interested in the historical development of catholic syncretism in regards to pagan culture, I thimk you should pursue it with gusto.
If you are interested in following Christ, I think you shouldn’t practice it.
Scripture teaches that all believers are saints. Scripture trumps the Catholic Church.
Bookmarking.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
If you can't show that the apostles taught what your church teaches your church is to be considered accursed.
In fact, no church needed at all. In other words, you are arguing that Jesus was lying when he said he was going to found a "church."
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.
So you take the Old Testament as the last word on every doctrinal question? Nothing new was revealed in the New Testament?
If you take Ecclesiastes as the last word on eternal life, then you must deny the Resurrection.
Did you happen to see the Scripture citation I offered? It was well after his conversion.
I can agree with that... and I don't have that problem. Here's the rub... the Gospel is the account of the life, death and resurrection of Christ--definitionally. You seem to think the Gospel includes all of the other things recorded in Scripture as well--all of the Epistles and such. It is not. There is more that was said and done by Christ than what was recorded (John 21:25) because what was recorded was written for a purpose. The Bible is not a full Catechism of faith but rather the story of our fall and redemption. After that, there is still much to say in regards to worship and daily life. The Church has taught these things from the Deposit of Faith given by Christ and the ongoing revelation of the Holy Spirit.
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In fact, no church needed at all. In other words, you are arguing that Jesus was lying when he said he was going to found a “church.”
Nah. He said He was founding a gathering. Not a church.
No trick... just reading. You may not be a Pharisee but St Paul was a Pharisee before AND after his conversion.
"Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, "My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees. I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead." Acts 23:6
Wow. I knew we disagreed on the identification of St Peter as the first Pope from Matt 16:18... I had no idea we disagreed on the word "Church." Learn something new everyday...
So prove that the apostles taught it just as the Catholic Church does. The assumption of Mary would be a good start since Catholics are obliged to believe it.
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