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To: Dave W; Admin Moderator
My, My. Aren’t we a bit upset? The Bible is clear. Good works do not and cannot deliver a person to heaven. One can’t earn his way to heaven. The only way is through the grace of Jesus and it is free. It is no more complicated than that.

I'm upset because this thread was, IMHO, wrongly edited by the improper invocation of the "no personal attacks" rule concerning a religious-philosophical subject which requires people to express personal opinions ABOUT others personal opinions, because THAT'S THE SUBJECT!

As for what passes as YOUR personal opinion concerning this subject, I would ask you why you express it at all? For isn't it a "good work" to tell people that "good works" don't get you into heaven? So - are you promulgating this teaching out of egoic desire to be seen as a teacher, out are you doing it because Jesus taught you to spread this teaching? And if the latter, is that not "work," and how is it not "good"?

Do you know what "good works" ACTUALLY refers to, and why it is said to not only be inadequate, but also detrimental to the spiritual path? Because it is refering to the EGO. It is referring to doing something "for God" with the belief that the positive effect it has is a result of your personal effort - rather than being a success that results from God's Grace flowing through whatever you do. The difference is enormous, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the idea that you don't have to make any effort. In fact, yo have to make massive, continuous effort - but offer all of it to God, and claim no success for yourself. THAT is "not" doing "good works."

39 posted on 01/18/2015 12:05:40 AM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Wow. There are some good critical thinkers, still here. Well stated. Thank you, Talisker.


43 posted on 01/18/2015 12:34:27 AM PST by RedHeeler
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To: Talisker
I will keep this simple - there is no need to make it complicated. Salvation is free - free for the asking if you are sincere. One needs to humble him or herself, ask forgiveness of ones' sins and that is it. Nothing more and nothing less.
97 posted on 01/19/2015 5:11:15 PM PST by Dave W
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