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To: cva66snipe; mrobisr
Was Paul under Peter's authority or oversight?

Christians and The Gospel as soon as the persecutions began started the spreading of The Gospel to all nations. Persons who came to Jerusalem heard the Gospel and those who believed like the man Phillip was taken too believed and took the Gospel to distant lands. This didn't require an organized effort by some man picked hierarchy. Rather it was believers lead by The Holy Spirit.

To whom is The Holy Spirit given? Some believe only those ordained to minister and lead. But GOD had other plans because like the Temple Priest and government it could be corrupted and used as a spiritual weapon of enslavement. Instead of allowing that again The Holy Spirit is to all whom receive GOD's Word, believe and receive Jesus Christ as Savior, and Christ calls His own.

Did you not read in the Bible what Paul did when there arose a dispute in Antioch about keeping the Mosaic Law? Paul did not decide this on his own. The church at Antioch did not decide this on its own. Rather, "it was decided that Paul, Barnabas, and some of the others should go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and presbyters about this question." (Acts 15:2) I will point out here that they were sent not just to the apostles but to "the apostles and presbyters." The apostles had already associated other men to themselves in the governance of the church.

In this assembly of apostles and presbyters it is Peter who first declares that no further burden should be placed on the gentiles, to which James agrees. But notice carefully what was written in the letter back to the church at Antioch. (vv. 22-29) First, it is written in the name of the apostles and presbyters. Second, it states that the dissension in Antioch was caused by those who were teaching "without any mandate from us." Thus the need to teach in accord with the church and not each according to his own light. And finally, and most importantly, notice by what authority the apostles and presbyters give for their decision: "It is the decision of the holy Spirit and of us…" It was by the authority of the Holy Spirit itself that the apostles and presbyters made this decision binding. And this authority was binding as an act of the church prior to its recording in the Scriptures.

91 posted on 01/17/2015 5:43:00 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius; cva66snipe; mrobisr
>>In this assembly of apostles and presbyters it is Peter who first declares that no further burden should be placed on the gentiles, to which James agrees.<<

Wow! That's a stretch if not an outright corruption of what it says. It was Paul who had the argument with those trying to impose rules in the first place. The this is James statement "It is my judgment, therefore". James was simply agreeing? Putting men over what is written seems to the Catholic way.

104 posted on 01/17/2015 11:13:09 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Petrosius
Did you not read where Paul says he is called not by man but by Jesus Christ? Here's some enlightening scripture about placing men over GOD 1 Corinthians chapter 1. Paul discusses who follows which Apostle or Disciple. Galatians chapter 1 points out even more what I am saying because Paul says the same thing. Where did Paul get his message? From Peter? NO. Directly from Jesus Christ himself. Did Peter check Paul's writings first? No where is that stated. Paul was not appointed into his position by human authority. Paul says that clearly as well.

The Galatians had heard the Gospel from him and Paul received word they were making a man made mess of things by doctrines of man and conditions of man.

Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2 and all the brothers and sisters[a] with me,
To the churches in Galatia:
3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

13 For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. 14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. 15 But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was not to consult any human being. 17 I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia. Later I returned to Damascus.

18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas[b] and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother. 20 I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie.

21 Then I went to Syria and Cilicia. 22 I was personally unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ. 23 They only heard the report: “The man who formerly persecuted us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy.” 24 And they praised God because of me.

Paul preacher 14 years later after his conversion on the way to Damascus. During those years he was already preaching to confer with the others.

121 posted on 01/17/2015 12:58:24 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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