Yes, I came to see that in Catholic services. I had more excitement over the mass than the moderate-liberal Lutheran services I was used to, so I didn’t see people’s disinterest in the mass so much at first. The mass was also about half as long. The Lutheran services I attended were never shorter than an hour and a half. That’s not long for an evangelical service, but for a Lutheran one that’s just trying to cross all its t’s and dot all of its i’s while keeping Jesus out of it as much as possible, it is.