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Upon This Rock
The Cripplegate, New Generation of Non-Conformists ^
| June 10, 2014
| Nathan Busenitz, Instructor of Theology
Posted on 01/16/2015 3:29:49 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: caww
They left the Centrality of Jesus Christ ages ago....though they strive to attach his name onto everything.....simply as an add-on....and afterthought.
As do other cults such as LDS.
To: Jim Noble
It is Peter's FAITH which is the rock, yes, not his sinful flesh, but that big "Rocky" had a real, designated role in His Church - and still does.
Nay, it is the Father's revelation to Peter of Who Jesus of Nazareth is...Peter's CONFESSION of that revelation.
Peter was neck and neck with Judas Iscariot as the disciple that could betray Jesus. Jesus prayed for Peter and it was Judas Iscariot who place his hand into the sop.
Paul later upbraided Peter because Peter's FAITH was weak to the point of hyprocisy.
Truly sorry you view this forum as a pissing contest, meaning it is useless and worthless to you personally.
To: af_vet_1981
One cannot separate the Apostle Peter from Messiah's church. He said He would build His church on Peter, and Ephesians proves He did. What many have missed is the unity in which He did it. Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
That doesn't say the apostles are the foundation of the church...It says the foundation of the apostles and prophets...You know what the foundation of the apostles is??? Peter??? of course not...The foundation of the apostles is Jesus Christ...
And how do we know that??? Because the bible tells us so...
1Co_3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Jesus is the apostles' foundation...That's the bible interpreting itself...Comparing scripture with scripture...
Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
But what of the apostles??? They are pillars on top of the foundation...
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
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01/21/2015 1:00:05 AM PST
by
Iscool
To: Resettozero
Yes...and few of them can see their deceived either.
I do believe God is trying to bring people out of these false religions, now more than ever before..... Just as he gathered Israel out of Egypt....if they truly seek Him he’s not only calling them out and warning them to leave...they are leaving if they’re true believers.
We get so occupied in what’s happening in the World conflicts etc...we forget God is working to bring HIS family in Christ together as well....and that means removing them from where they’ve been stuck.....few” that will be though.
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posted on
01/21/2015 1:20:08 AM PST
by
caww
To: CynicalBear; Arthur McGowan; metmom
First of all you would have to identify the "first eight or so Popes". Do a little history on the title of pope given and you will not find a single "pope" at the head of the "Catholic Church" until the 6th century. From the 3rd to the 6th century is was used refer to all bishops. ["Pope", Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, Oxford University Press, 2005, ISBN 978-0-19-280290-3]. It's nothing but Catholic fiction to state that there is a line of single popes leading back to Peter.
PLUS, there was no single bishop in Rome in charge of the local churches...And Peter wasn't even a bishop...Peter like the others was an evangelist...
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posted on
01/21/2015 2:59:39 AM PST
by
Iscool
To: Arthur McGowan
The first eight Popes were murdered, i.e., martyred.If the first 8 were murdered, how did you ever get the 9th one???
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:05:09 AM PST
by
Iscool
To: Arthur McGowan
And, if Jesus did NOT intend us to understand that he was building his church on Peter (Rock), why did Jesus stupidly RENAME Simon as Rock. Why would Jesus deliberately mislead the apostles and all future generations?Those who trust in your religion are confused...Those of us who trust in, study and believe the scriptures are not confused about it...
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:08:52 AM PST
by
Iscool
To: Arthur McGowan; metmom
Or are you too blinded by seething hate to admit universally-acknowledge historical facts?You seem to forget that we also can and do read Catholic history...We can also read those who study the history of the Catholic religion...We also see that Catholic history is corrupt to the core...
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:21:17 AM PST
by
Iscool
To: CynicalBear
And once again it's enlightening to look at the Greek.I know the LATIN is even MORE interesting; for I'd bet GOOD money that is the language the folks in reply #47 were fluent in!!
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:26:38 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Arthur McGowan
Or are you too blinded by seething hate to admit universally-acknowledge historical facts?You win, Captain!!
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:29:14 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Arthur McGowan
One thing every dedicated anti-Catholic MUST do is remain ignorant of the lives of the saints, martyrs and non-martyrs. One thing every rabbit breeding Catholic MUST do is remain ignorant of the content of the Bible. The lives of the saints, martyrs and non-martyrs (like Mary) are FAR more important.
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:30:52 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Arthur McGowan
When a heart is full of hate, the intellect goes dark.When a heart is full of Catholicism, the intellect becomes unnecessary.
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:32:28 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: MamaB
Catholic version:
On Pete the solid Rock I stand, all other is sinking sand..
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:33:33 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: af_vet_1981
He said He would build His church on Peter, and Ephesians proves He did. Too bad that SMARTER folks than you (#47) said otherwise.
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:35:27 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ealgeone
Next, if we use the ECFs as catholics love to cling to in order to justify their non-biblical "tradition", Don't worry about that for it's their non-TRADITIONAL "tradition" that they can NOT get around!
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:37:04 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Arthur McGowan
The Catholic Church was the State in the years 33-300? Ill just let that hang out there and let sane people reach their own conclusions.
The Catholic Church was even around in the years 33-300?
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:40:03 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Mark17
I am thinking Elsie would be a perfect fit."A"?
He would THROW one if anyone tried to make HIM a leader of ANYTHING!
He KNOWS how power can corrupt!
Mrs.ELSIE(He's also grumpy in the morning...)
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:42:47 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: metmom
And you know how that can play out.Yeah...
One of YOU would get; ahem; MARTYRED!
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:44:27 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: editor-surveyor
Heck; anyone with at least TWO functioning braincells can figger THAT out!
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:45:36 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: editor-surveyor
Kiddo, you've done it - swatted the hornet's nest.
The FR Catholics will now flood us with all kinds of EVIDENCE to PROVE you Wrong, wrong, WRONG!!!
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posted on
01/21/2015 3:47:34 AM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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