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Upon This Rock
The Cripplegate, New Generation of Non-Conformists ^ | June 10, 2014 | Nathan Busenitz, Instructor of Theology

Posted on 01/16/2015 3:29:49 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: Mark17

Thanks, Mark. God bless.


101 posted on 01/17/2015 10:51:41 AM PST by MamaB
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To: Petrosius

I did that when I became a Christian as a child but actually accepter the Bible before that. The Rock is not Peter.


102 posted on 01/17/2015 10:54:44 AM PST by MamaB
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Thanks. I thought of that as soon as I read that post.


103 posted on 01/17/2015 10:56:45 AM PST by MamaB
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To: Petrosius; cva66snipe; mrobisr
>>In this assembly of apostles and presbyters it is Peter who first declares that no further burden should be placed on the gentiles, to which James agrees.<<

Wow! That's a stretch if not an outright corruption of what it says. It was Paul who had the argument with those trying to impose rules in the first place. The this is James statement "It is my judgment, therefore". James was simply agreeing? Putting men over what is written seems to the Catholic way.

104 posted on 01/17/2015 11:13:09 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: winodog
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The apostles were sent to the part of the ‘world’ that their Master, Yeshua himself was sent to:
Matthew 15:

[21] Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
[22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
[24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
[25] Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
[26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
[27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.
[28] Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour

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105 posted on 01/17/2015 11:28:54 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear
Look again at Acts. James' statement come after that of Peter:
After much debate had taken place, Peter got up and said to them, “My brothers, you are well aware that from early days God made his choice among you that through my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts. Why, then, are you now putting God to the test by placing on the shoulders of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they.” (Acts 15:7-11)
Yes, it was James' judgment but he was only affirming what Peter had already said. James was stating that his judgment agreed with that of Peter; he was not introducing a new or contrary judgment. Additionally, the letter was issued in the name of all the apostles and presbyters, not just as the judgment of James.
106 posted on 01/17/2015 11:32:31 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: MamaB
The Rock is not Peter.

By his own words our Lord differs from you.

107 posted on 01/17/2015 11:34:41 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Arthur McGowan

I call them by their given birth names, not the names of Greek mythology.

“Jesus” is a Greek transliteration of an acronym ‘YSHU’ from a Rabbinical curse on Yeshua: Yimach Shimo Uezichro, which means “Let his name be forgotten and never remembered.”

Since repeating that absurd curse dishonors my Lord, I do not speak it.

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108 posted on 01/17/2015 11:37:11 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Petrosius; CynicalBear

Use more analysis when reading!

Peter and Paul were appealing to their fellow apostles, peers, not masters, nor underlings, to protect the sheep they had evangelized from the false influence of the Pharisees, who also sought to influence them to keep the false laws contained in their Takanot and Ma’asim. The same “commandments of men” that Yeshua spent most of his life denouncing and demolishing.

You are trying to create a hierarchy among the believers that Yeshua denounced in no uncertain terms. Read Matthew 23 for understanding, not the catechism.
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109 posted on 01/17/2015 11:47:52 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Petrosius; MamaB

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>> “The Rock is not Peter.”

>> “By his own words our Lord differs from you.”

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Then your ‘Lord’ must be Satan?

Yeshua is the only person called “The Rock” in the entirety of scriptures.

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110 posted on 01/17/2015 11:52:03 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

I have to disagree. They were waiting for the King to set up his Kingdom on earth so they can go to the ends of the earth preaching the KINGDOM gospel.

They thought they would go through the trib, survive to the end and become priests to the gentiles.

But God opened up the timeline and that’s the mystery that Paul speaks of. : )


111 posted on 01/17/2015 11:56:50 AM PST by winodog (hang on tight to Gods salvation)
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To: Salvation

The Aramaic words were never spoken by Yeshua.

They were deviously inserted centuries after Yeshua ascended.

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112 posted on 01/17/2015 11:57:45 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

That is great scripture though. Healed and more then likely saved by belief.

Glory to God


113 posted on 01/17/2015 12:01:15 PM PST by winodog (hang on tight to Gods salvation)
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To: winodog

Gibberish!

The only ‘mystery’ that Paul presented was the Savior’s death releasing his bride to remarry (Romans 7)

None of the apostles were so deluded as to be waiting for the kingdom; they saw the kingdom partly come to them at Pentecost.

They wrote of how the fullness of the kingdom would come at the last trump.

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114 posted on 01/17/2015 12:04:43 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: winodog

That healing was a symbolic confirmation that those that attach themselves to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel were also to be made a part of Israel.


115 posted on 01/17/2015 12:09:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

And how do you know this? Were you there?


116 posted on 01/17/2015 12:10:10 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: editor-surveyor

Do you have some sources for that etymology?


117 posted on 01/17/2015 12:20:10 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Salvation

The writings of the early church teachers show it plainly.
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118 posted on 01/17/2015 12:20:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Have you never wondered why, in most English Bibles, the names of Yehoshua (Joshua) of the Old Testament, and Yehoshua our savior in the New Testament are translated differently, even though they both had the very same name?

The translators applied the curse to our savior, but not to his ancient namesake. Yet they are shown identically in the vast majority of Greek MS.


119 posted on 01/17/2015 12:27:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Petrosius
>>Yes, it was James' judgment but he was only affirming what Peter had already said.<<

Yeah, that's why James said "My judgement is"

120 posted on 01/17/2015 12:58:20 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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