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To: ADSUM

That means that everyone who has ever been baptized is saved, whether they want it or not, no matter how they live.

If baptism saves, then Christ died for nothing. All people would have to do is be baptized and voila, they are saved.

Anyone who adds to the work of Christ on the cross is stating by default that the work of Christ, which HE said was FINISHED, is not enough. That they have to add something to it.


40 posted on 01/16/2015 11:50:48 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Your statement: “That means that everyone who has ever been baptized is saved...”

Jesus said that Baptism is necessary for salvation, not that Baptism assures salvation. One needs to lead a moral life and die without mortal sin. Our individual salvation is determined by Jesus upon our death.

Baptism by God’s grace forgives original sin and actual sin at the time of Baptism. Confession or Reconciliation forgives sins after Baptism.

Christ died for our sins and opened the opportunity for Heaven for those who believe in God and attempt to do God’s will on earth. We gain Heaven by God’s grace, but we can lose it by our actions and sins.


43 posted on 01/16/2015 12:38:02 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: metmom

“Baptism does not save”
“If baptism saves, then Christ died for nothing.”

Well...Peter would disagree with you. On both points. Actually, in the same sentence:
“Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ”
1 Peter 3:21.

“That means that everyone who has ever been baptized is saved, whether they want it or not, no matter how they live.”
No, because you can reject faith. Even after baptism. Baptism doesn’t negate the necessity of faith. That’s totally unbiblical.


77 posted on 01/16/2015 9:19:28 PM PST by CraigEsq
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