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To: Zuriel
The first birth is covered in John 1:13; “Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man..”. No water mentioned as a sign of first birth.

Nope...

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him,
(those of the first birth)
to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
(the 2nd birth)
even to them that believe on his name:

Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Those are of the 2nd birth...

For you position to have any force, you need John 3:6 to read: “That which is born of the water is flesh....”.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

This is a reference back to John 1:13...John 1:13 is certainly not speaking of a natural birth but a spiritual birth...

Anyone who knows anything about a natural birth knows we were conceived and raised in a bag (for lack of a better term) of liquid/water...

So all that works for me...

111 posted on 01/17/2015 6:15:30 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

**So all that works for me...**

Yes, your private interpretation certainly seems to work for you.

**even to them that believe on his name:**

If you refuse to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, you have rejected his name.

**Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.**

**This is a reference back to John 1:13...**

Agreed. Both verses mention a first and second birth. But then you say this:

**John 1:13 is certainly not speaking of a natural birth but a spiritual birth...**

Huh? It mentions both, and water is not used as a symbol of first birth.

**Anyone who knows anything about a natural birth knows we were conceived and raised in a bag (for lack of a better term) of liquid/water...**

One private interpretation is as good as another, I suppose.

There is a whole lot of water baptism in Acts, and it was treated as a very serious and urgent matter. (not the pathetic delayed action, “let’s plan on baptizing Bob next week when all of the kin can be here”)


150 posted on 01/17/2015 10:22:51 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Iscool

John also expands on this in 1 John 5:

1 John 5 New King James Version (NKJV)

5 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.


184 posted on 01/17/2015 4:34:54 PM PST by redleghunter (...whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. (1 Corinthians 10:31))
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