Posted on 01/09/2015 7:27:11 AM PST by Salvation
Yea.... I might out a football player or a baseball player or someone that actually worked on Sunday :)
He could allow His apostles to work because HE WAS/IS GOD.
All of you prots: Do your self a big favor when you go to the butcher ask him what that reddish pink stuff is in the pan when you are cooking up a steak or hamburger.
Of course I am speaking to the same people that are terrified refuse to reveal the denomination they belong to or the degrees that they might have earned.
It might compromise them.
You have made an error.
The subject at hand is not 'whether the Sabbath', but rather, whether Yeshua broke Sabbath by gleaning grains on the side of the road as they went. It is a Pharisaical legalism which specifically defines that one cannot pluck grains, as it is considered as work.
The Seventh day Sabbath was ordained of YHWH in the very beginning (Creation), and will stand forever. Yeshua did not break the Sabbath.
NONSENSE.
Generally a person should follow the conversation before posting something.
Only an idiot would use their real name on an internet forum.
Of course I am speaking to the same people that are terrified refuse to reveal the denomination they belong to or the degrees that they might have earned. It might compromise them.
No and no.
Basically, it's nobody's business.
And it's irrelevant to the discussion.
Besides, it's really entertaining to watch how it simply consumes some people because someone can't be baited into playing their gotcha games.
More than that: In the healing of the blind man... There is a specific Pharisaical injunction against spitting upon earth on the Sabbath, because that supposedly made mortar, and was considered work... It was not the healing only, but the method. Yeshua stuck his finger in the Pharisees' eye every chance he got. Once one researches a bit, it becomes almost comical in the ways that Yeshua directly opposed tradition.
...While ratifying the older covenants (each respectively) into the new. Go study it. It is true. With the exception of Melchizedek/Zadok, the covenants are nested, one inside the other. It is not superseding as much as a further revelation.
He could allow His apostles to work because HE WAS/IS GOD.
What a capricious god it would be that would insist for 2500 years that a people were not to listen to ANYONE who broke the words he committed in the beginning, only to show up in the flesh and break those very laws so that his people would not believe...
EVERY SINGLE WORD YHWH has uttered is true, and every man a liar.
I am following the conversation just fine.
Yeah sure, maybe not so much.
“I would never say that, I will just say: You are wrong.
Have a good day.”
I respect your decent reply and you have a good day also.
1) Various pagan groups believed that the life of an animal, including humans, came from the blood, not from God.
2) They also believed that by consuming the blood or various organs including the heart and/or the liver that you could acquire the attributes of those enemies.
God didn't want them thinking that they could acquire these attributes and He wanted them to understand that all life came from God, even animal life.
In addition the prohibition about eating certain foods was because various animals commonly carry certain diseases. Trichinosis comes to mind.
When Jesus gave the bread of life discourse in John 6 and performed the consecration at the last supper He was making it clear that life come from God alone.
I hope this sheds light and does not add heat.
It sheds light and creates heat based on which side of the equation you’re coming down on.
But that can’t be helped. It comes with presenting the truth.
Thanks for the insight. That was very enlightening.
I think that you are assigning motives to YHWH which, while seemingly self-evident, are not necessarily true. In that is the inherent assumption that we are so much more intelligent and informed by way of comparison to our forefathers, and by way of that intelligence and information, we gain the hubris to change for ourselves what YHWH said was eternally defined.
It is the same old lie, right from the Garden: 'YHWH didn't REALLY say...'
I heard that for the first time a couple years ago..suddenly that scripture made good sense
I did, and it came up the same. Pope Gregory The Great said that if a child isn't baptized he or she goes to hell when they die.
I don't believe that (neither does Jesus) and if you go back to my post you are replying to you will see my remarks showing how much Jesus loves children, even if the Catholic belief system hasn't put their "mark" on them.
I used the term "sprinkling" because that is indeed how Catholics "baptize" babies. I've seen it with my own eyes.
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My post to you was about your comment complaining about other posters "denigrate another's faith" so I felt that opened up the opportunigy to show you how those of your belief system do that quite often.
I think your next statement, If I don't like what another person posted, I can address them personally.
You were probably talking about this comment of mine:
...one highly respected leaders of your belief system says if children are not sprinkled (uses the term baptism, which sprinkling when a baby is NOT) and they die in childhood that God will send them to hell! [I've posted the proof of that recently if you don't believe it]Sorry, Pope Gregory The Great doesn't post here (he's dead) and he is the "highly respected leader of your belief system" to which I was referring.
Plus I don't think any one here is a "leader" of your belief system, but many post like the are! In fact some post like they are the leaders of all Christianity! I LOL when ever I see comments with that pompous superior condescending attitude, trying to get other Christians to capitulate to Catholicism, and be subject to their pope...which is declared that ALL Christians must do. Not!
I have taken my own share of name-calling on this site, both personally and to my Catholic Faith.
Sorry about that, but not from me.
If that bothers you a lot, maybe you are too "thinskinned" for open threads.
Each of us believes that ours is the true belief system. I as a Catholic believe that my Faith comes closest to the truth.
True, Catholicism does come close to the truth.
But adds a lot to it, making it a bit confusing and extra-Biblical.
I am a simple Christian, and Christianity IS the truth, not just close to it.
Do I believe that everyone else is going to hell?
What a question, there is nothing in any of my posts to suggest that I think you believe that. In fact, I don't think anyone seeking God thinks that.
Hope that clears things up a bit
If it makes you feel better, cool.
I saw nothing unclear between you and I.
I can't find in the Bible anywhere where Jesus "preformed the consecration" at the meal he shared with his followers just before he was crucified.
He broke the bread and said This is my body, take and eat.
Then with the cup, he said take and drink.
"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life." (John 6:63).He did not say they were literal words; that is, He did not say that they were His actual body and blood.
I don't think our all powerful jealous God would like to have a belief system have a priest squish Him into a little wafer.
And then be worshiped as it it was Him, our Almighty God. Really!
Even Peter, made a ex post facto pope hundreds of years after he died, calls it bread AFTER the "last supper."
Jesus calls it the fruit of the vine.
He also calls Himself the the door, the bread of life, the Vine...I won't go into that further, but I wish I could believe in the literal Living Waters, I would love to see them gushing out of my belly!
I would call your attention to the fact that the above quote is not mine - It was italicized in my post, and was part of what I was quoting from Hope for the Republic, for reference in my reply.
I can't find in the Bible anywhere where Jesus "preformed the consecration" at the meal he shared with his followers just before he was crucified.
Well, that depends upon what you might call consecrating... He did give thanks to YHWH in two parts, as is customary on special occasions and Holy Feasts:
The bread is broken and held aloft, And very likely he spoke these words:
Blessed are you oh YHWH, creator of the universe, who brings forth bread from the earth...
Then he said, "This is my body..."
HE is the bread brought forth from the earth.
Then the cup:
Blessed are you oh YHWH, creator of the universe, who brings forth fruit from the vine...
Then he said, "This is my blood..."
HE is the fruit brought forth from the vine.
And as such, communion has been taken, since time immemorial by the Hebrews, long, long before there was ever a 'Christian'. It was nothing new, except in what Yeshua revealed.
He did not say they were literal words; that is, He did not say that they were His actual body and blood.
As I said above, he was showing what the rite (which they were practicing) meant in it's fulfillment.
I don't think our all powerful jealous God would like to have a belief system have a priest squish Him into a little wafer.
Of course not. It is borrowed from the pagans - Wafer, monstrance, incense, pomp and circumstance, and all the jangly bits... It was, to the Hebrews, a simple prayer. Research Mithra.
And then be worshiped as it it was Him, our Almighty God. Really!
Idolatry, by definition. No different than the golden calf at the foot of Sinai.
“How was that done and when?”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3245952/posts
“The fathers pledge their unwavering fidelity to the traditional doctrines regarding marriage and the true meaning of human sexuality as proclaimed in the Word of God and set out clearly in the Church’s Ordinary and Universal Magisterium.”
Gee I wonder why they are doing that? Could it be that some
high up (Pope and Friends) church leaders are trying to compromise or may be
negotiate with the word of God?
I’m surprised you are so ill informed on this subject.
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