Posted on 01/06/2015 5:13:00 AM PST by metmom
I ask you what solid concrete proof do you have that anything exists other than yourself? C.S. Lewis said that God was more like a ‘mind’ than anything else. A mind possesses thoughts. Can you see a thought? Measure it? Do thoughts exist?
Prove to me that YOU exist.
What evidence do I have that you are a person and not a computer program? Real rock solid concrete proof.
Prove that you are not a random occurrence of electrical impulses that generated a post on FR?
I tell you that I have a daughter, and you probably do not doubt me even though you'll never meet her.
If you want to meet God, humble yourself and pray. Read His words, starting with the Gospel of John - it is a love letter.
What evidence do I have that you are a person and not a computer program? Real rock solid concrete proof.
Prove that you are not a random occurrence of electrical impulses that generated a post on FR?
WOW someone comes in and asks a question and gets this from a christian!
Someone pass the popcorn.
So why didn't you answer his/her question?
Actually using EEGs and MRI's it is possible to see that a person is thinking.
The IBrain (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/science/ibrain-a-device-that-can-read-thoughts.html) does allow Dr. Hawking to communicate by thinking.
So the answer is yes you can see thoughts.
Interesting approach to debate. I ask a question and am attacked.
But to answer your reply. Rene Descartes stated cogito ergo sum, I think therefore I am.
Since I was able to be somewhat offended by your reply and then to reply in a manner that is both philosophical and provides evidence of analysis that should be enough.
Back to my original question. Can god's existence be proven?
But I can. I can go to where every she may be and physically see her.
If you want to meet God, humble yourself and pray. Read His words, starting with the Gospel of John - it is a love letter.
How do you know that the Bible was written by god and not some con artists trying to pull a scam.
You can't say that god exists because he gave us the bible and the bible is proof that god exists. That is circular logic.
Interesting technique chastising me when you haven't given it a crack.
First off I wasn't asked.
Second I would not have gone on the offensive when asked a simple question and given a more charitable reply.
Third I am enjoying watching how you all (MIS)handle this.
NO, you cannot see thoughts.
You can detect the effect of thoughts on a machine, but the thoughts themselves are not material.
What about gravity?
Can you provide rock solid proof that gravity exists?
I’m sorry that you perceive it as an attack.
It is a valid question.
I no more *prove* that God exists than I can prove that anyone else exists.
Now, I have met some FReepers in person and know that they exists and I can tell you about that, but since you have not yet met them, how can I prove to you that they exist? All you have is my word that it’s so.
*I think therefore I am* may work as a proof for you, but it is not the kind of rock solid proof to me that you really exist. All I am responding to is a screen name on an internet forum, where nobody knows that you’re not a dog.
If you’re willing to accept philosophical proof of God’s existence, then the very existence of a moral code, a sense of right and wrong, the belief in the supernatural and a God or gods that is ubiquitous in mankind, can meet the criteria.
In my experience, God’s existence is explained in the work that He has done in my life. I have personal experiential evidence of His existence. Whether that’s enough to satisfy someone else, is another question.
Tell me how to validate His love for me and work in me in a way that is tangible to you.
A-G can introduce you to someone who CLAIMS to be her daughter, but is there ever really any way to PROVE that that is indeed her daughter?
Could she not fake the whole thing to mislead you?
In the end, all you have to depend on is various circumstantial evidence.
Much like gravity.
Interestingly, Scripture addresses those who do not believe and states that if someone does not believe the Law and the prophets, even if someone were to rise from the dead, they would be unconvinced.
Believing or disbelieving in God is not so much a matter of lack of evidence, because the world around us is filled with it, as much as a matter of the will.
There is nobody who denies its existence, and yet that existence is not because anyone has actually SEEN or TOUCHED gravitational waves, but knowledge of its existence is completely dependent on the effect it has on objects.
That is the only *proof* that anyone has about its existence.
If you have ears to hear, you will hear Him. If you do not have ears to hear, you will not hear Him.
For instance, the people in the following verse were physically hearing Christ but they could not spiritually hear Him:
To what end?
What would they be hoping to accomplish?
Are you aware of the history of Scripture, the time frame over which it is written, the various authors of the different books?
How would you account for the cohesiveness of the Bible, massive work as it is, as a whole?
Have you compared it to other religious works? I've seen some of the other religious writings of others and they are juvenile in comparison and do not have the continuity and cohesiveness that the Bible does.
Ooops.... That got a little messy.....
I’m going to try it again.
A-G can introduce you to someone who CLAIMS to be her daughter, but is there ever really any way to PROVE that that is indeed her daughter?
Could she not fake the whole thing to mislead you?
In the end, all you have to depend on is various circumstantial evidence.
Much like gravity.
There is nobody who denies its existence, and yet that existence is not because anyone has actually SEEN or TOUCHED gravitational waves, but knowledge of its existence is completely dependent on the effect it has on objects.
That is the only *proof* that anyone has about its existence.
Interestingly, Scripture addresses those who do not believe and states that if someone does not believe the Law and the prophets, even if someone were to rise from the dead, they would be unconvinced.
Believing or disbelieving in God is not so much a matter of lack of evidence, because the world around us is filled with it, as much as a matter of the will.
Welcome to FR!
Hope your time spent here proves enlightening to you.
May as well give up your quest now; for you will NOT get it.
You will ALWAYS have another question after the last one was answered not to your liking.
Chastising? Simply asking you a question is in your mind chastising?
>>Second I would not have gone on the offensive when asked a simple question and given a more charitable reply.<<
How magnanimous of you! Yet here you are and still haven't helped the guy out by answering his question.
I'll give both you and him and answer. "an evil and perverse generation seeketh after a sign and a sign will not be given it".
Well, you can hardly fault someone for THAT.
Second I would not have gone on the offensive when asked a simple question and given a more charitable reply.
And that would be what exactly?
Go ahead and indulge and show everyone up by answering the question better than they could as you seem to feel you can.
Third I am enjoying watching how you all (MIS)handle this.
Someone's soul could be on the line and you consider it ENTERTAINMENT?
What's wrong with you?
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