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To: unlearner
>>I agree with the mid-tribulation rapture that the end of Revelation 6 is where the translation of living saints occurs, and is described in Revelation 7 as those who come out of THE GREAT TRIBULATION.<<

The tribulation saints are not part of the "church". The wrath of God has already begun by Revelation 6:17. The faithful believers of this age of grace are promised to never suffer the wrath of God. The "church", the bride of Christ will be with Christ for that entire 7 year period. If you study the ancient Jewish wedding customs you will see that the bride and groom are sequestered alone for 7 days prior to coming out to the world. It's at that point that the wedding feast is held. That corresponds to the wedding feast we find in Revelation 19 at the end of that 7 year period.

33 posted on 01/05/2015 11:40:00 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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“If you study the ancient Jewish wedding customs you will see that the bride and groom are sequestered alone for 7 days prior to coming out to the world. It’s at that point that the wedding feast is held. That corresponds to the wedding feast we find in Revelation 19 at the end of that 7 year period.”

I agree that this sounds nice, but it is not actually in the Bible. There is no scripture that says there is a marriage at the beginning of this time frame or that the church will be in Heaven after the rapture for seven years. I have a hard time accepting Jewish traditions as the basis for Bible prophecy. It would fit nicely with a pre-trib view, but that is not an authoritative basis for accepting a pre-trib view, nor is an internal consistency of that view.

“The wrath of God has already begun by Revelation 6:17. The faithful believers of this age of grace are promised to never suffer the wrath of God.”

I agree that believers will not go through God’s wrath. This verse marks the arrival of the Day of the Lord or Day of Wrath in Revelation. It is when the rapture occurs. In chapter 7 we see a great multitude that came out of the Great Tribulation. How? And in chapter 8 we see the fiery destruction of earth begins. The signs in the heavens during the sixth seal match those that mark the end of the Great Tribulation and beginning of the Day of the Lord.

Joel 2:31
The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Where does this event occur in the Revelation?

Revelation 6:12
I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.

What makes all of the people of the earth suddenly realize that the Day of Wrath has arrived? How do they know it is from the Lamb? How do they go from persecuting believers during the fifth seal to trembling and crying out in fear of “Him Who sits on the throne”? Perhaps it is because they witness Christ returning in great power and glory and the rapture of living saints to Him.

Revelation 1:7
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Can you find any similarly described event in Revelation other than in 6:16-17?


38 posted on 01/05/2015 4:48:01 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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