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To: RnMomof7
Did you even read my post? We are talking about English, not Greek. No one has ever claimed that presbuteros and hiereus are the same. In English "priest" means first of all "presbyter". This was its original only meaning and has persisted until today. This was the only meaning of the word for hundreds of years. The use of "priest" for hiereus came later after the proper Old English word sacerd dropped out of usage.

The inability of many Protestants to understand this is that they have been successfully, if dishonestly, catechized to disassociate the modern Catholic presbyteral priest from the New Testament presbyter. Thus when they see the word "priest" they only see the Old Testament temple priest. But this is not the only, nor the first, meaning of the word.

310 posted on 01/03/2015 5:28:46 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
Did you even read my post? We are talking about English, not Greek.

The NT is written in greek... and so that is translated.. Rome has changed the definition of presbuteros

πρεσβύτερος

You do not get permission to change what God has said HIS church should looks like

Actually it is Rome that is redefining what the word means. If God had wanted to continue sacrifices..He would have given that outline and USED THE WORD FOR PRIEST (one that offers sacrifices) hiereus ...

Transliteration
presbyteros
Pronunciation
pres-bü'-te-ros (Key)
Part of Speech
adjective
Root Word (Etymology)
Comparative of presbus (elderly)
Dictionary Aids

Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry

TDNT Reference: 6:651,931

Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. elder, of age,

    1. the elder of two people

    2. advanced in life, an elder, a senior

      1. forefathers

  2. a term of rank or office

    1. among the Jews

      1. members of the great council or Sanhedrin (because in early times the rulers of the people, judges, etc., were selected from elderly men)

      2. of those who in separate cities managed public affairs and administered justice

    2. among the Christians, those who presided over the assemblies (or churches) The NT uses the term bishop, elders, and presbyters interchangeably

    3. the twenty four members of the heavenly Sanhedrin or court seated on thrones around the throne of God

KJV Translation Count — Total: 67x
The KJV translates Strongs G4245 in the following manner: elder (64x), old man (1x), eldest (1x), elder woman (1x).
Thayer's Greek Lexicon Help

G4245

You do not get permission to change what God has said HIS church should looks like

Actually it is Rome that is redefining what the word means. If God had wanted to continue sacrifices..He would have given that outline and USED THE WORD FOR PRIEST (one that offers sacrifices) hiereus ...


311 posted on 01/03/2015 8:24:23 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Ga 4:16)
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