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To: onedoug

***SC, and I like it.***
For those of us who had dairy farms there was no days off. Cows still had to be milked twice EVERY DAY including Saturday and SUNDAY, other animals fed, house warmed with a wood stove. Think of all the Biblical requirements against kindling a fire or hauling wood on the sabbath.

Not long ago the local Adventists had a play day at their church on the Sabbath. I drove by and before I passed I saw about a half dozen violations of Sabbath laws.

The sabbath is violated every Saturday by sabbath keepers yet they still have the attitude of “I’m better than everyone else because “I’ keep the Sabbath!”


17 posted on 12/30/2014 7:59:39 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Biblical exegesis makes reasonable exceptions such as healing on the Sabbath, or aiding someone, or even an animal, in distress.

I've always thought of it as a goal, which I don't think I've ever fully reached. But it shouldn't be for lack of trying.

21 posted on 12/30/2014 8:13:04 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

For those of us who had dairy farms there was no days off. Cows still had to be milked twice EVERY DAY including Saturday and SUNDAY, other animals fed, house warmed with a wood stove. Think of all the Biblical requirements against kindling a fire or hauling wood on the sabbath.


I agree and I have no doubt that God took all of these things you mentioned into consideration, where the religious teachers in the college`s do not understand and never did.

At the same time we see Sunday Sabbath keepers with the very same view which also came from these same religious teachers.

The religious teachers being no more understanding in the spiritual value of the commandments than the scribes and Pharisees.

I was also raised on a farm or around farms and ranch`s and was milking cows in the early 1940s, many people used animals to work the fields and some even used them for transportation.

I know nothing about it first hand but heard some of the older people talking about how some of the preachers would work their horse’s all week and then use them to travel miles to church on Sunday.

And then tell every one if they did not honor the Sabbath ( meaning the Sunday Sabbath ) they were hell bound.

I would guess that most Sabbath keepers are missing the point a little and i believe the Sunday services are appropriate.

But calling it the Sabbath?

The Sabbath is an event which happened, it can not be changed.


26 posted on 12/30/2014 10:04:05 AM PST by ravenwolf (t know.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
There are many agricultural settlements in Israel, for example, where the residents are religious Jews. The rabbis came up with one solution to the problem of milking on Shabbos, which cannot be avoided because not milking the cows causes them tremendous pain, which is forbidden. They can hook them up to milking machines which are on timers so that the machine does not start up immediately when the cow is hooked up, but rather at a certain time of the day. So if you hook up your cows at 7 a.m. and the machine timer is set for 7:30 a.m., it comes on whether the cows are hooked up or not. So you are not violating the Sabbath by turning electric things on and off; the timer was set up on the milking machine before Shabbos, just like my lights are set up on timers before Shabbos. They come on during Shabbos at preplanned times, but I do not touch them to make it happen. The timer does that.

As for the wood stove, the only solution I could find was asking, BEFORE Shabbos, a non-Jew to kindle the fire of the wood stove several times a day. The only way that lighting a wood stove on Shabbos by a Jew is permissible is if it is very cold and someone is seriously ill, and their illness would be exacerbated by the cold if the stove is not lit.

29 posted on 12/30/2014 1:46:57 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

When we had dairy cows, on Sunday about all we did was chores — milk and feed as usual. We would try to get as much as possible done on Saturdays to free up Sundays. Matter of fact, FIL would talk about “the weekend” starting about 7 p.m. Saturday night.

Our Mennonite neighbors did the same.

Even now, Sunday is about the only day I see all of my family in the same place at the same time.


54 posted on 01/01/2015 7:17:16 AM PST by Cloverfarm
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