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To: Arthur McGowan

Sorry....but the church defined their position on each of these, and was wrong. There were individual Catholic Bishops who stepped on the toes of Nazi Party....but overall, the leadership from Rome was either absent or in total compliance.


52 posted on 12/28/2014 11:38:43 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

You have it backwards. There were anti-Nazi and pro-Nazi bishops. Pius XII was always anti-Hitler and anti-Nazi. All claims to the contrary originated with the Soviets, after his death. The tributes to him from Jews upon his death were many and profuse.

No educated person believes that the Church ever forced anyone to teach that the earth was flat. In fact, no educated person in Western Europe believed the earth was flat for many, many centuries before Columbus.

EVERYBODY burned heretics. Protestants burned plenty of Catholics, and vice versa. Not a special feature of the Catholic Church. “Bloody Mary” was, however, much less bloody than Elizabeth.


53 posted on 12/29/2014 12:12:02 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: pepsionice

Catholic authorities in every age have acted and thought in a manner shaped by their age. Often, their opinions on various matters are cited as “the teaching of the Catholic Church,” when they are nothing of the kind. I suppose that, at SOME point in history, a Pope thought the earth was flat, and perhaps committed that opinion to writing.

So what? I’m sure the current Pope believes in germs, and that the earth is round. That doesn’t mean that “the Catholic Church” teaches the existence of germs, or that the earth is round.

The Magisterium of the Catholic Church has NEVER defined, as an article to be believed with divine faith, that the Earth is flat. Never. No matter how many Popes or Cardinals may have believed it was flat.

The current Pope apparently believes a lot of nonsense about a lot of matters. That doesn’t make any of his stupid opinions “the teaching of the Catholic Church.”


54 posted on 12/29/2014 12:20:21 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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