Bravo for avoiding any details...I detailed to you what really happens and you can't seem to refute it, you just deny it...
No need to flippancy or flattery, point me to your timeline in this thread, I did not see it.
- I have done my best to refute the pre-trib and thus it's alleged timeline by referencing several places where the scripture refers to the resurrection being "in the last day" or "at the last day" (post 86).
- I also pointed out that in the 3 references to timing of the gathering/rapture that have any indication of timing, the timing is ALWAYS after the tribulation, not before (post 10).
- I also clearly demonstrated that the "Elect" in the NT is the church in 12 clear instances, and never specifically Israel (post 71-72).
- Finally, If you want I can point you to numerous Church Father quotes that state they believed the Church would be persecuted by the Anti-Christ, just as John taught in Rev 13:7-10.
- Furthermore, I can also provide proof that the pre-trib "doctrine" is of recent 1830's origin.
- It is also fun to point out that the pre-trib rapture is seen nowhere in the Bible, and especially in Revelation or Matthew 24.
As I have seen multiple times, however, all of these clear scriptures are explained away, and deference is given to analogy (Jewish wedding sequence), typology (come up hither) and wishful thinking. I am quite certain I have added nothing or taken nothing away from the Book of Revelation, and thus won't fall under the curse of Rev 22:18-19. Are you?