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To: jimmyray
A quick look at the context of Romans 8:33 clearly indicates the elect ARE NOT the Jews:

So you dredged up one verse to prove your point...

Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Here, the elect appears to be Jesus,

Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Here, we can see the elect are a remnant of the Jews...

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

You'll remember that Paul dressed and acted like a Jew to win over the Jews...

2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

There are even 'elect' angels...

1Ti_5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Again, Jesus is the 'elect'...

1Pe_2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

2Jn 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;

There Peter is preaching to an elect lady...Peter's mission is to preach to Jews...The lady is Jewish...

The point is; just as in the timing of the Rapture as well as who the elect is, you can't just take a verse or two and run with it...There is plenty of scripture that show that the Rapture is not post-trib or mid-trib...You have to be able to discount those scriptures and put them in their right place before you can just ignore and trash them...

It's clear to me that you didn't check any of the scripture references in the article...

58 posted on 12/29/2014 10:14:41 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool
Is it your determination there is a difference between:

ἐκλεκτός eklektos: From ἐκλέγομαι (G1586)

Vs.

ἐκκλησία ekklēsia: From a compound of ἐκ (G1537) and a derivative of καλέω (G2564)

Which is an interesting discussion in itself. Of which when we look at Revelation 2-3 we see attributes different from those posed as 'elect' in the OT prophecies. Which is why one must look at how the churches, ekklēsia, are addressed in Revelation as opposed to the term 'elect.' Context, as you pointed out well has great meaning.

59 posted on 12/29/2014 11:39:11 AM PST by redleghunter (... we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God-Heb 4:14)
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To: Iscool
QUOTE; "You'll remember that Paul dressed and acted like a Jew to win over the Jews..."

Not sure where you get that idea, but Paul was the apostle to then Gentiles

Romans 3:13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry

61 posted on 12/29/2014 6:51:18 PM PST by jimmyray
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To: Iscool
QUOTE: "So you dredged up one verse to prove your point...

You quoted the verse first, in post 43, as support for your pre-trib nonsense!

The you post

Here, we can see the elect are a remnant of the Jews...
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Did you even read the verse? It is clear that Israel has NOT obtained it, but the election has.

So, who, then, is the election?

Perhaps we can both agree that both the Church and Israel are elect, but this can be qualified as only those whose names are written in heaven, regardeless of their nationality?

The ELECT are saved peoples!

63 posted on 12/29/2014 7:30:04 PM PST by jimmyray
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To: Iscool
QUOTE: "Here, we can see the elect are a remnant of the Jews..."
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

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We are in agreement! The "election" here is believing Jews, and thus they are members of the Church! This is evidenced by the preceding verse 5 of the same chapter:
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Compare this to Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

81 posted on 12/31/2014 3:28:52 PM PST by jimmyray
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