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To: blue-duncan
QUOTE: "It would appear that Jesus is quoting from Daniel concerning Israel, not the church."

I see nothing in the quote that excludes the church, rather, it is an inclusion of Daniel's people who ONLY have their names written in with the "...every one that shall be found written in the book."

Reckon this book is a role of Jews alive at the second coming, or a reference to the "book of life" referred to in Rev 20:12-14 , which Jesus also possibly referred to when he told his disciples to "...rejoice that your names are written in heaven."

So... when are Jewish believers raptured?

18 posted on 12/28/2014 3:10:02 PM PST by jimmyray
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To: jimmyray; wmfights

The prophecy and the vision in Daniel 11 transcends the persecution under Antiochus IV, and thought to deal with the “Antichrist” (taken by many as the figure in 2 Thess. 2:3–4; Rev. 13:5–8). Though Antiochus IV was powerful, he was able to do as he wills only up to a point, since he was still subject to the power of the Romans whereas the figure in Chapter 11 has greater power.

Antiochus IV Epiphanes met his end during a relatively minor campaign against Persia in 164 b. c., not between the sea and Jerusalem after a grand and successful assault on Egypt so this prophecy concerns the Antichrist and the verses in Chapter 11 are looking forward to a greater fulfillment that was yet to come at the time of the end; the fall of the Antichrist in the battle of Armageddon (Rev. 16:13–16) at the end of the Great Tribulation.

The continuation of the prophecy in Chapter 12 is for Israel (”which standeth for the children of thy people”) at the end of the Great Tribulation, not the church.

Paul speaks in Romans 11 “25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; 27 “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”

28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.

Notice Paul’s use of the term “election”. He is referring to Israel.


25 posted on 12/28/2014 3:56:49 PM PST by blue-duncan
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