Posted on 12/19/2014 1:30:26 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Which part was my "private interpretation"?
>> Now why did you change to “justification”? <<
I changed nothing, you always switch to justification by works, which is not any part of anything I have ever said.
Doing battle with this strawman is the only stage act you have, so it is repeated ad infinitum as a distraction from the requirement for obedience that you reject.
Obedience! Love!
“Those that Love me keep my Commandments.”
Ok, try to focus here. I didn't address justification. We are talking about the difference between the law of works and the law of faith. We are talking about keeping the commandments or keeping the law. The commandments are under the mercy seat. The laws of Moses are not. We are told to keep the commandments. We are told we are no longer under the law.
>>“Those that Love me keep my Commandments.”
>> “I didn’t address justification. We are talking about the difference between the law of works and the law of faith”
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Everything about this statement is nonsense.
There is no ‘law of works,’ nor is there any ‘law of faith.’
You take every sentence Paul writes and try to create a doctrine out of it. Paul used figurative examples constantly, none of which was intended to support your man made doctrines.
Ah yes! If it doesn't agree with the preconceived belief make it allegory. How Catholic of you.
>>There is no ‘law of works,’ nor is there any ‘law of faith.’<<
>font color=blue>Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
So he’s comforting everyone a different way? You have to know that a headless, disorganized Church receiving continuing revelation for said Church is contra-Biblical.
You cannot have continuing revelation and no Church hierarchy. That’s the lesson of the Old and New Testament.
Amen. Your post reminds me of a great tape by Dr. Tim Gray of the Augustine Institute in Denver.
There you go again!
Nothing about allewgory was mentioned, but your need for a smoke screen causes you to inject it.
Then you repeat the phrase that you twisted into man made doctrine.
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Yes the holy spirit speaks to individuals and reveals to them what they need to know and do. Sometimes the person backslides and their process of perfecting their walk needs to return to an earlier state and begin again. Thus people are all a different stages in their relationship and thus need different prompting.
Actually, individual revelation is central to the Bible and is supported by scripture. There is a very simple church Hierarchy - God (through Jesus and the Holy Spirit) and the Sinner (the individual). When the temple veil was torn at Jesus death, the presence of God moved out of the structure of the temple.
When Jesus taught us to pray, he did not tell us to call upon the spirits of the dead or our forefathers or go beg forgiveness from our local priest, parson or pastor. Jesus taught us to pray DIRECTLY to God in heaven. No earthly structure in that simply but powerful Lord’s prayer. There is no man made tradition (church hierarchy) that can even come close to the wisdom, power and patience of God.
There is one head of the church: Jesus.
You cannot have continuing revelation and no Church hierarchy.
There's really very little hierarchy in the New Testament (between the churches; within we see bishops, pastors, and teachers mentioned), certainly compared to the Catholic church (and most protestant denominations) — this is to say that the early churches were meant to be largely self governing
and, incidentally, why Jesus's messages to the Churches in Revelation were addressed to particular churches.
This isn't to say there is no [inter-church-group] hierarchy and that there was no deference of younger churches to the elder — the council at Jerusalem [Acts 15] proves that false — but even that council acknowledged the Holy Spirit as guiding them.
That’s the lesson of the Old and New Testament.
If you're talking about Jesus being the lesson, then I agree.
If not, then I think you have to convince me.
For the same reason the elitists want to put us under ObamaCare: Power.
Explain how "the phrase" in Romans 3:27 was twisted pleas.
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There must be an authority beyond the Bible. Else, why accept the Book of Joshua when you already have the Torah?
Which Nevi'im and Ketuvim should we add to the Torah and why?
Why accept the New Testament when we already have the Tanakh?
Why add Acts and the epistles since we already have the Gospels?
Some authority decided all that before you were even born. Which part of that authority do you deny today and why?
The Bible calls for authority and an organized Church. Anarcho-Christianity isn't Christianity at all, at least not as described in the Bible.
Please keep in mind that I'm not a Catholic, nor to I accept Rome's authority.
There is, however, a Law of Love, and a Law of Liberty.
Yep! That and listening to the enemy.
>> “The Bible calls for authority and an organized Church. “ <<
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It calls for the sheep to recognize a teacher’s calling to teach, but it definitely does not call for any hierarchical organization. Only local..
>> “When Jesus taught us to pray, he did not tell us to call upon the spirits of the dead or our forefathers or go beg forgiveness from our local priest, parson or pastor.” <<
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Amen!
Good analysis. We can’t stand on our works alone b/c it’s like “filthy rags” before God. Our salvation requires faith and belief. We do the good works anyway b/c that’s what God would want us to do. They can never buy us a ticket in, but it’s part of our journey to be more like Him anyway. It’s an expression of love and obedience to Him.
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