Posted on 12/18/2014 5:00:17 PM PST by Salvation
Which books or chapters? You mean the Bible chapters on the assumption of Mary, ordaining saints, priests offering a perpetual sacrifice. If Protestants omitted those most important doctrinal Bible chapters, please provide them here.
So what if the last part isn’t in Scripture? Is a praise band in Scripture, or an altar call? How about a mini-mall, or coffee bar? Pews, Sunday best, women ministers? Nope, nope and nope.
Not to be short with anybody, but the Bible doesn’t limit our ability to praise God, or seek the intercession of others.
The imitation of the Angelic Salutation, followed by the words of Elizabeth, and then followed by a petition are pretty darn Biblical. To argue otherwise is nit picking.
For the same reason you asked the question. I felt it was worth the keystrokes to mention that comment.
John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life.
Can't say that I've seen that. But if postings here are an indicator their Bible studies consist of a few verses in John, a couple in Matthew and few for sure from Luke 1. Maybe even dabbling in Revelation a bit to wrest a few verses.
Ah. Understand. Thanks for being specific.
May God Bless you and your family as well!
You tell stories well. Sounds like a good friendship.
And James.
Don’t forget James.
It’s generally the RC’s favorite book in the Bible.
I thought the topic of the thread was about Bible reading and Catholics.
I think you posted all of the prayers you listed were in scriptures. I pointed out not entirely.
The reason I had asked is that their understanding of John 6 is certainly from a carnal perspective.
Sometimes feelings ain't enough.
Ah indeed. All those people just fed by Christ asking for a sign (as if feeding them all with a few loaves of bread and some fish was not enough); then they told Jesus they didn’t need Him because they had Abraham. That chapter? Yes but one would never know because some start reading at verse 43.
The weddings I attended could have been outliers. For all I know Methodist weddings are normally faith-filled events. But the ones I attended were so secular the comparison with the Catholic sacrament of Matrimony was striking.
For Catholics the Bible is almost always used in the context of worship. Did you know that a survey was done to check the amount of Scripture used in the Catholic Mass? The Catholic service was almost 30% Scripture.
Misleading, as it is mostly redundant.
When the same writer checked his local Bible-based Evangelical church he was surprised to find the total amount of Scripture read took just 3% of the service.
You can prove anything with unsubstantiated hearsay testimony. Those who know Scripture know that is invalid.
When Catholics go to mass they hear a reading from the Old Testament, they say or sing one of the Psalms, then they listen to a reading from the epistles, then a gospel reading. The whole structure fits together so the communion service if focused on Christ in the gospels. Catholics follow a three year cycle of Scripture reading so a Catholic who goes to church faithfully will--over the three years--hear almost all of the Bible read.
Another unsubstantiated assertion, while
In response to your common "Mass every day for three years, you will hear the entire Bible" assertion, a Catholic at Catholic Answers (http://forums.catholic.com/showpost.php?p=1063633&postcount=9) finds,
The readings for Sunday Mass are repeated every three years. The reading for Weekday Mass are repeated every two years. The following table, based on my own calculations (and therefore likely not entirely error-free), will give you an idea of about what percentage of the Bible, Testament, or each individual book of the Bible, you might hear read at Mass over the course of any three-year period, based on the number of verses read. (Note: All optional Mass readings were included. Also, a verse was counted even if only part of verse is used.)
Book(s) (verses) . . . . . . Sundays only . . Sundays & Weekdays
Entire Bible (35478). . . . . . 14% (5035) . . . 30% (10722)
Old Testament (27524) . . . 6% (1663) . . . . 18% (4830)
Book(s) (verses) . . . . . . . . . Sundays only . . Sundays & Weekdays
New Testament (7954) . . . . . . 42% (3372) . . . . 74% (5892)
And it is hard to hear the entire bible when it seems even in the weekly Sundays & Weekdays cycle Obadiah doesn't get a single reading, and only 1% of 1 Chronicles and 3% of 2 Chronicles, 5% of Leviticus and Lamentations, and 6% of Numbers and Proverbs, and 7% of Joshua and 8% of Ezra and Job (just in the under 10% category) are read.
Moreover, some readings are partial verses, while much of the amount of Scripture RCs are said to hear in mass is redundancy, with some even including "Amen" or like brief statements in their calculations.
In addition, while never universally banning personal Bible reading by the laity, or never printing some in the vernacular, Rome certainly hindered it during much of her history, while in modern times teaching liberal revisionism via her sanctioned Bible helps for decades.
Also until recently little of the Bible was read in Mass, and today this is still not much. “At mid-century study of Bible texts was not an integral part of the primary or secondary school curriculum. At best, the Bible was conveyed through summaries of the texts.” (The Catholic Study Bible, Oxford University Press, 1990, p. RG16) Even by 1951 just a little of the gospels and the epistles were read on Sundays, with just 0.39% of the Old Testament (aside from the Psalms) being read at Vigils and major feast days in 1951. (http://catholic-resources.org/Lectionary/Statistics.htm) While that amount has increased since Vatican Two, only going to Mass will not give one a functional knowledge of Scripture. The average Catholic does not even get to Mass weekly, less alone daily as would be needed to get just 12.7% of the Bible over the two year reading cycle (based on stats from last source).
About 56 percent of Evangelicals currently say they're strongly affiliated with their religion, while only 35 percent of Catholics say the same, and 4% lower than mainline Protestants (devoutness of Mainline Protestants [distinct from evangelicals] fell to roughly 30 percent in the late 1970s to late 1980s before gradually climbing to 39 percent in 2010) http://www.science20.com/print/972444
Bible Reading: the highest was 75%, by those going to a Pentecostal/Foursquare church who reported they had read the Bible during the past week (besides at church), while the lowest was among Catholics at 23% ^
The Catholic Church allowed translations into the vernacular from the beginning.
More misleading assertions. See here .
Go to go (church meeting) for now
No need. Sadly it’s a daily event around here.
And if, at the end of time, that presumptive position is demonstrated by the judgment of Christ to be wrong ... like the Jews since the time of Christ ... entire generations of Roman Catholics have been lost.
Very nice, thank you! It’s always good to remember that we should be penitent. Our Lord is merciful!
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