Posted on 12/16/2014 4:38:29 PM PST by Colofornian
"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes in the sanctity of human life...
The Church allows for possible exceptions for its members when:
The Church teaches its members that even these rare exceptions do not justify abortion automatically. Abortion is a most serious matter and should be considered only after the persons involved have consulted with their local church leaders and feel through personal prayer that their decision is correct."
(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...
Different denominations have different beliefs on abortion.
When it comes to opposing abortion, the majority of
Catholics vote pro abortion, the majority of Protestants vote pro-life, and Evangelicals are massively, overwhelmingly, pro-life voters.
But I notice you didn’t answer my question: Why is it you assume that voting Republican — a Republican pro-abort — is such an ennobling proposition and something Mormon voters (& others) should get some kind of gold star from you for...???
(I expect an answer)
The appropriate answer is that I believe the purpose of posting this thread is not to fight abortion but to trash Mormonism.
While I do not hold to Mormonism I don`t understand the war against one particular religion when there are so many out there.
My comment on the percent of Mormons who voted Republican is obvious, all any one need to do is read the comments on these threads for a few days to get the idea that most freepers believe the liberals are the baby killers.
There are no doubt many more liberals in the democrat party than what there is in the republican party and it would be senseless to put that up for debate.
I was only pointing out the obvious that a bigger percentage of Mormons voted for the conservatives than any one else.
Also it was not the president who made abortion legal, it was judges.
Every one should be against killing with out cause Christian or not and many are against, even people who do not go to Church.
The atheists raise as much hell as any one about babies being killed but they blame it on to God.
Picking out one religion on the abortion issue is like picking out one bad apple out of a barrel of rotten apples.
Colofornian the story you told about Solomon advising to cut the baby in half is not a very good comparison because they both wanted the baby.
Yes I voted for what I believed was the lesser evil because I believe less babies killed are better than more
If you believe the other way that is your business.
Actually there are cases of ectopic pregnancies leading to live births, so even that cannot be a hard and fast exception. I’ve read statistics as high as 30% survival rate.
BS!
Let me remind you that Mitt Romney got almost 50% of the Catholic vote in 2012. That number alone is bigger than any protestant denomination. Mass attending Catholics voted GOP. Non-Mass attending (who claim to be Catholic but never go to church), vote democrat. THe exact same thing happens in protestant faiths, if you attend church and take your faith seriously you do not vote for abortion. The only exception to this are blacks, they all claim to be pro-life, but of course cast their vote for either the one who looks like them (Obama democrat), or the one that can promise them more welfare outhands (any democrat). They are hypocrites of the first degree.
(Thank you for pointing this out. I'll further research it!)
[NKP_Vet's response to Ansel12 in post #45: BS!]
Well, NKP_Vet, Ansel12 IS right...although a corner may have finally been turned in this year's election:
Per Bill Donohue of the Catholic League:
* 2008: Catholics voted for Obama vs. McCain 54-45%
* 2012: Catholics voted for Obama vs. Romney 50-48% -- although here this REALLY isn't a fair comparison AT ALL given that Romney was/is also pro-abortion...so I'd frankly throw out the 2012 election results for POTUS as partially meaningless on abortion...STILL, 50% of Catholics voting for Obama in 2012...and 52% averaged over both elections is VERY problematic from EVERY angle...abortion, too!
* 2014: Catholics voted for Republican candidates over Democratic candidates 54-45% (60% of White Catholics voted for Republicans)
Now, mind you...not ALL of those Republicans running in '14 that received those Catholic votes were "pro-life"...but the far majority of them were.
Source: Catholic Voters Abandon Democrats as The Party Embraces Unlimited Abortion
No, that is an absolute fact, and indisputable, how can you deny such simple and open voting data.
The majority of Catholics vote proabortion democrat and the majority of Protestants vote prolife republican, and of course Evangelicals are massively, incredibly, prolife republican voters.
Just look at Obama, Catholics preferred him both times, Protestants voted against him both times, and Evangelicals, well, we know how they vote.
Mid Term elections are always low turn out, when conservatives have much more influence, as the general population tends to not pay much attention without all the hoopla of a presidential race.
Lol, yeah, Obama won a smaller majority of the Catholic vote for his second term, but he won it, just as I said, it is puzzling how you can say one thing, and then contradict it just a couple of posts later.
The Catholic denomination almost always goes pro abortion democrat, of course the fierce defense that wins from some here at FR, helps explain why.
Barry Goldwater was strongly pro-abortion
But it is a congressman’s job to up hold the constitution and Goldwater believed in it.
He did not believe Government should make Church policy and did not believe religious institutes should make Government policy.
We know that our hired Government servants will exploit the law for financial gain and also more power over the people.
And it really looks to me like the religious institutions do the very same thing.
The bible Clearly shows that Homosexuality is an abomination, and although it says no such thing about polygamy the religious leaders will twist every thing they can around to make them seem comparable.
Abortion is not real clear, there may be some reasons for it but it sure in the hell is not planed parent hood.
The Mormons will call the Catholics and protestants liars,
the Catholics will call the Mormons and Protestants liars
The protestants will call the Catholics and Mormons and each other liars.
Are there any of the religious that are not liars?
We can not trust the religious institutes.
We can not trust our public servants
We can only put our trust in God and our lord Jesus the Christ..
The number of Catholics that voted for Romney DWARF any protestant denomination in the United States that voted for Romney. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.
LOL, no wonder Catholics vote proabortion democrat, look at the gymnastics that even the supposed conservative Catholics go through to try and defend them and to hide that proabortion voting from discussion and public view, even on a conservative political site.
Laugh all you want it’s the truth. There are so many pro-abort and pro-queer protestant churches in the United States you can’t keep track of them. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
(Excellent point...limited coffee this a.m. on my part :) )
(This is like a grandma lambasting her daughters about the immoral lifestyles of some of her grandchildren...when she herself utterly failed to raise ANY of her daughters with an exemplary gracious life but resorted to works-based ritualism and icons that distracted others from God...the amazing thing actually is that so MANY -- as in MOST -- of the daughters & grandchildren actually turned out faith-filled!)
Boy, no wonder Catholics vote proabortion, it is amazing to see how fiercely that gets defended, even by supposed prolife Catholics.
It is almost cult like.
Allow me to provide a slightly exaggerated example of what NKP_Vet is doing to show the fallacy of such thinking:
Let's say some vote existed in London whereby...
...(a) the turnout was 100%...
...and (b) those who claimed to be Christian (less than 4 million) voted on a pure 100% Christian faith basis -- and those who didn't claim to be Christian (more than 4 million) all voted the exact opposite.
Hence, (c) to be clear...this would mean that because the non-Christians are greater than the Christians in London...the Christians would be on the losing side of whatever vote occurred. Let's say such a moral measure died at the polls.
But then some Londoner comes along and wants to defend ALL of London as to how they voted.
So when challenged by someone ... why couldn't your 8+ million city pass this measure when this other 5-million city easily passed it 75-25%??? (3.75 million for; 1.25 million against)
The Londoner's answer?
Hey, we had MORE Londoners vote for the measure (over 3.9 million) than your city did!
(Oh, and never mind about those other "Londoners" who betrayed their fellow citizens by voting against said XYZ measure)
When the discussion is about a church denomination that votes proabortion democrat, it hardly makes sense for a supposed conservative and prolifer, to defend them by saying that they are only 25% of the electorate.
Why defend their voting at all, if one is conservative and prolife, and especially to defend them with such total devotion and vigor?
Some here sure drop their prolife/conservative persona awfully quick.
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