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To: annalex; daniel1212; metmom
Aha. Se we are not saved by faith alone.

LOL. There you go again, deliberately misinterpreting it, as you are prone to do. I keep saying it. Your definition of faith, and our definition of faith, are radically different. You can believe whatever you like. That is on you, but you can't say that a whole bunch of people have not tried to point out the error of your ways. I am a former catholic, so I understand. Again, we must agree to disagree.

6,221 posted on 01/16/2015 8:12:53 PM PST by Mark17 (Weary and worn, facing for sinners, death on the cross, that He might save them from endless loss)
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To: Mark17
There you go again, deliberately misinterpreting it, as you are prone to do

In those therefore in whom we cannot realize good works, we can immediately say and conclude: they heard of faith, but it did not sink into good soil. For if you continue in pride and lewdness, in greed and anger, and yet talk much of faith, St. Paul will come and say, 1 Cor. 4:20, look here my dear Sir, "the kingdom of God is not in word but in power." It requires life and action, and is not brought about by mere talk.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:341-342]

This is what I have often said, if faith be true, it will break forth and bear fruit. If the tree is green and good, it will not cease to blossom forth in leaves and fruit. It does this by nature. I need not first command it and say: Look here, tree, bear apples. For if the tree is there and is good, the fruit will follow unbidden. If faith is present works must follow.” [Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:340-341]

What Augustine says is indeed true: He who has created you without yourself will not save you without yourself. Works are necessary for salvation, but they do not cause salvation; for faith alone gives life... - [Ewald M. Plass, “What Luther says,” page 1509]

“This is why St. Luke and St. James have so much to say about works, so that one says: Yes, I will now believe, and then he goes and fabricates for himself a fictitious delusion, which hovers only on the lips as the foam on the water. No, no; faith is a living and an essential thing, which makes a new creature of man, changes his spirit and wholly and completely converts him. It goes to the foundation and there accomplishes a renewal of the entire man; so, if I have previously seen a sinner, I now see in his changed conduct, manner and life, that he believes. So high and great a thing is faith.”[Sermons of Martin Luther 2.2:341]

There comes a time in which there is insufficient warrant in continuing attempts with certain posters who imagine they are refuting Protestant theology by using strawmen, or a strand not being presented.

And whose egregious extrapolation trying to support unScriptural tradition and prolix sophistry has been exposed and refuted numerous times, and have also contradicted aspects of RC theology, while they have supported the eradication of us in affirming the Inquisition and its means. . And when all else fails, resort to insolent immature comments.

One wonders if they imagine they again an indulgent by taking up much of our time. Even God refuses to answer some people. It is quite an achievement to attain the "not fit to exchange" (NFTE) status, but some have earned it. To their own damnation.

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6,229 posted on 01/16/2015 10:00:50 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Mark17; daniel1212; metmom
we must agree to disagree

You got a religion that is killing souls. That is a very sad state of affairs. I cannot agree to that.

6,266 posted on 01/17/2015 10:02:34 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Mark17
I am a former catholic,

there is no such thing, and like most other prodigal children, you'll be back!!

6,600 posted on 01/21/2015 2:47:44 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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