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To: SpirituTuo; CynicalBear; metmom; daniel1212; Gamecock; Salvation; Mrs. Don-o
While you searched, it appeared you came up with “damning evidence.”

There's no "appears to have come up with damning evidence"...it is damning evidence.

Here's more from St. Louis.

He's not just hoping or wishing for us...he's telling us we "have" to do this for Mary.

I'm sorry for catholics who believe these lies from the pit of Hell.

This opening line is a sure sign of a cult....secret information that was only given to St. Louis. No wonder it's secret...it's a pack of lies. The enemy is very adapt at mixing in a little truth with about three parts lies. He used the same trick with Eve. Amazing how many he has fooled using the same tactic.

1. Here is a secret, chosen soul, which the most High God taught me and which I have not found in any book, ancient or modern. Inspired by the Holy Spirit, I am confiding it to you, with these conditions:

Act for Mary

6. It all comes to this, then. We must discover a simple means to obtain from God the grace needed to become holy. It is precisely this I wish to teach you. My contention is that you must first discover Mary if you would obtain this grace from God.

11. (5) As in the natural life a child must have a father and a mother, so in the supernatural life of grace a true child of the Church must have God for his Father and Mary for his mother. If he prides himself on having God for his Father but does not give to Mary the tender affection of a true child, he is an impostor and his father is the devil.

WOW! SHEER UTTER BLASPHEMY!

49. 4. We must perform all our actions for Mary, which means that as slaves of this noble Queen we will work only for her, promoting her interests and her high renown, and making this the first aim in all our acts, while the glory of God will always be our final end. In everything we must renounce self- love because more often than not, without our being aware of it, selfishness sets itself up as the end of all we work for. We should often repeat from the depths of our heart: "Dear Mother, it is to please you that I go here or there, that I do this or that, that I suffer this pain or this injury."

50. Beware, chosen soul, of thinking that it is more perfect to direct your work and intention straight to Jesus or straight to God. Without Mary, your work and your intention will be of little value. But if you go to God through Mary, your work will become Mary's work, and consequently will be most noble and most worthy of God.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/Montfort/SECRET.HTM

598 posted on 12/15/2014 2:30:17 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

In this case, the English word “secret” means private. Any visions had by any saint, are referred to as private revelation, and are neither sanctioned nor required for belief. There are very, very, few officially sanctioned apparitions, such as Lourdes and Fatima. Rather, private revelations, provided they aren’t contrary to Gospel, are neither promoted nor suppressed.

Specific to St. Louis de Monfort, his understanding of Mary, and his writings, seem rather extreme. Having read some of his complete works, I was put off until I re-read them, and really thought about what he was saying. As a 17th century French priest, I didn’t care for his style of writing, and again, found it off-putting. History tells us his zeal for preaching and serving the poor was equal to his quick temper and being less than a “people person” to those not in need.

Regarding his work, the Secret of Mary, he was attempting to explain (in a stylistically peculiar way for modern people) the role of Mary relative to Jesus. Typical for his time and place, he was taught and believed in showing great respect for angels, especially Guardian Angels.

This connection to the realm behind the veil, influenced his thinking and writing. He observed the spiritual role of Mary, and wrote about it, giving his view of why she is so important to our prayer lives. He writes about imitating Mary as the first disciple, and as one who never, ever, questioned the divinity of Jesus, while staying with him throughout his passion.

As I mentioned in a previous post, the first requirement is to understand that all prayer, worship, is for the glory of God, and for our only saviour, Jesus Christ.

What St. Louis is calling us to do is have the same faith as Mary, the same dedication, and the absolute trust. Mary always, always, points to Jesus. The Gospel of John quotes her as telling the wedding stewards of Jesus, “whatever he says, do it.” That is perfect trust and belief. That is the discovery St. Louis is speaking of, to know Mary means to have the perfect trust and belief.

While I really understand why you interpret the work as you do, and it is reasonable you do so, please recognize there is a lot more meaning than what you may think.

Finally, St. Louis always indicates, and assumes the reader knows and understands, the unquestionable primacy of God. That is why he mentions it once or twice, instead of every section.

Many Catholics haven’t read his works, for the reasons I mentioned above, including having the patience. However, if taken in the spirit in which it was written, to give people a way to grow closer to Jesus, than it is not likely to be understood as blasphemy, as he would dare not mean such.


767 posted on 12/15/2014 6:21:20 PM PST by SpirituTuo
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To: ealgeone
50. Beware, chosen soul, of thinking that it is more perfect to direct your work and intention straight to Jesus or straight to God. Without Mary, your work and your intention will be of little value. But if you go to God through Mary, your work will become Mary's work, and consequently will be most noble and most worthy of God.

In-credible, but par for the heresy course of Rome. Once you begin sanctions fables of men as doctrine, including presenting men as assuredly infallible, and thus enabling such fables of amorphous oral tradition to be taught as true, then are the multitude of such inventions as this any surprise? Adds to the list .

The apostles and NT church entirely neglected this esoteric tidbit, but as with the rest of Scripture, only taught and exampled prayer and praise addressed to Heaven to be to the Lord, with Christ being the only manifest Heavenly intercessor. To the glory of God, which this Mariolatry is not!

On judgment day, the humble holy Mary of Scripture will be part of those who condemn these who promoted the Mary of Catholicism!

789 posted on 12/15/2014 6:53:02 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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