sure they did. If you read he bible and interpret it PROPERLY it is very easy to see.
Based on whose understanding?
The Roman Pontiff to which all catholics are to submit based on catholic writings....or an individual's own personal understanding??
The question begs to be answered.
By "interpret it PROPERLY", you mean as the Roman Catholic church TODAY interprets it??? Within this nearing 5000 post thread as well as what Scripture really DOES say - and doesn't say, there is ample evidence proving Peter wasn't THE first Pope of Rome, that he didn't set up a single, over all authoritative magesterium, that he did not name a successor to his papacy (though he did lay hands on MANY that would carry on the teachings of the faith throughout the world) and he did not even think of himself as the rock on which the church of Jesus Christ was built - Peter KNEW that the ONLY rock was Christ. Though he was outspoken and sometimes put his mouth in motion before he engaged his brain, he was a humble man who did not think more of himself than he should. I imagine if he was here today and saw what has been done under his name, he would be extremely upset and disappointed.
So, no, sorry, there isn't any way to read the Bible and "interpret" what was never there in the first place. Besides, why bother trying to argue for Scriptural authority for what your religion teaches? They have stated on numerous occasions that they don't need it as the truth is whatever they say is the truth - when they say it. Y'all don't believe in sola Scriptura, remember?
To: boatbumsThank you boatbums for using the Holy Spirit to interpret the proper meanings of scripture.All that Roman Catholicism teaches today about Apostolic Succession is something they invented and developed over time. They didn't get it from Christ, they didn't get it from Peter.sure they did. .
The bolded area of text is quite true, thank you for posting that.
If you read he b[sic]ible and interpret it PROPERLY it is very easy to see
There is the problem. It seems you wish us to interperet the Bible the Bible with our own wisdom, so asking any Christian to interpret the Bible will get an No thanks terycarl, only the Holy Spirit can do that.
You go ahead and continue do it the way you describe if you wish.
But the interpretations will continue to be wrong about anything you apply your method to.
That Jesus built His "church" on a man, when in fact it was built upon the revelation that that man, Peter, had.
Jesus is the Rock on which is built his group of born again followers.
And apparently you have leaned "upon your own understanding" also with regards to other matters.
terycarl:
my only overseer is the Holy Spirit and He agrees with me 100% He agrees with me 100%Syncro:
Amazing that there is ONE person in the world that the Holy Spirit agrees with 100% and it is terycarl?
numerous people on this thread have said that they don't need the Catholic church because they get their guidance directly from the Holy Spirit.
Yes, and that is very true. Christians that wish to understand the Bible and who follow Jesus closely will ALWAYS go to the Holy Spirit for Truth.
Exactly how God set it up to work.
And therefore, you are correct, their is no need to go to the Catholic church for any help.
But you also said "Well, I don't think that I am the only one" and "He must agree with them too."
Very clever, cunning and deceptive.
YOU are the ONLY one that says that the Holy Spirit agrees with YOU...you personally...100% of the time.
No Christian would be so arrogant and foolish to say anything like that.
So there is no "He must agree with them too" as your claim is false.
He does agree with their teachings because He (the Holy Spirit) has showed them the truth so they can pass it on. To you in many cases.
Again, it seems clear you are listening to the wrong "spirit" or probably "spirits" and the evil ones seem to gang up on those that rely on them for deception.
God brings down the proud--Job 22:29