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To: CynicalBear

“>>that if works made faith perfect then works are necessary for salvation as well.<<
Um, NO, the works simply proved the faith was genuine.

............

Realize you are speaking with someone who does not start with the Word of God and form spiritual convictions based on what it teaches. The opposite is true. This one and others start with the idea they were commanded to believe and are attempting to shoehorn it into a passage of scripture where it is not taught.

It is not their fault. It is bad teaching, a mistaken priority of a particular church over Christ, and the belief they must live their lives on a hamster wheel of works and guilt.

...but for the grace of God, go I.

Continue to speak forth His truth in grace and love. Be a great servant and witness to the grace you’ve experienced. Be faithful. He opens eyes in His time.

You are correct about james. If this poster and others would do the work to understand the passage, it would be clear. Making an outline would be a tremendous learning experience. If they would make an outline of james and Galatians they would never again make silly claims about works.

...but then it would invalidate their religious experience and that is troubling. Better to toe the line and not be uncomfortable.

On iPad. Sorry if autocorrect has ruined any spelling...


4,227 posted on 12/30/2014 8:02:54 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
...but then it would invalidate their religious experience and that is troubling. Better to toe the line and not be uncomfortable

I toed the line for my first 21 years, but I felt VERY uncomfortable with that. Maybe that was just God preparing me for my conversion experience. Make sense?

4,237 posted on 12/30/2014 8:46:46 PM PST by Mark17 (So gracious and tender was He. I claimed Him that day as my savior, this stranger of Galilee)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
>>Realize you are speaking with someone who does not start with the Word of God and form spiritual convictions based on what it teaches. The opposite is true.<<

Each day I realize that more and more. I remember when I began to question some of the beliefs taught as I was growing up. I immersed myself in God's word not the words of some fallible men. It's shocking to me that they would put that much faith in fallible man rather than the inspired word of God.

4,283 posted on 12/31/2014 5:36:32 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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