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To: verga; CynicalBear; Mrs. Don-o
When Catholics tell you all that we don't treat Mary with the same reverence we do God than the matter is settled.

Fly, oh Adam, oh Eve, and ye their children, who have offended God ; fly and take refuge in the bosom of this good mother. Do you not know that she is the only city of refuge, and the only hope of sinners ?| As St. Augustine has called her, The only hope of sinners :

Hence St. Ephrem says: Thou art the only advocate of sinners, and of those who are deprived of every help; and he thus salutes her: Hail! refuge and retreat of sinners, to whom alone they can flee with confidence.!

If St. Antoninus relates that a sinner finding himself in disgrace before God, imagined himself standing before the tribunal of Jesus Christ : the devil was accusing him and Mary defending him. The enemy presented against this poor criminal the catalogue of his offences, which, placed in the balance of divine justice far outweighed his good works ; but what then did his great advocate do ? She extended her kind hand and placed it in the other scale; it descended in favor of her suppliant, and thus it was given him to understand, that she would obtain his pardon if he would change his life; and, indeed, after that vision he was converted and changed his life.

http://archive.org/stream/thegloriesofmary00liguuoft/thegloriesofmary00liguuoft_djvu.txt

These selections from the "Glories of Mary" make it clear that Mary is exclusively the only advocate of sinners. In fact, based on the last example Mary is now actively participating in forgiving the sins of people with just the touch of her hand. Disregard that Christ died and shed His blood for our sins.

Contrast with the Bible.

1 John 2:1

My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

Colossians 2:8-14

See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority; 11and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; 12having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Catholicism says Mary is the only advocate sinners have.....the only refuge sinners have...she participates in forgiveness of sins.

The Word of God says Jesus Christ is the Advocate we have before the Father.

The Word of God says Jesus is the only One Who forgives our sins. No one else. None. Nada. Zilch.

So which is it? It is an either or. It cannot be both.

This is why Christianity rejects catholicism's teachings on Mary and a bunch of other man-made "traditions."

I pray catholics come out of the darkness of deception and into the light of Jesus Christ Who is our Advocate before the Father.

3,621 posted on 12/29/2014 9:41:55 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
>>Catholicism says Mary is the only advocate sinners have.....the only refuge sinners have...she participates in forgiveness of sins.<<

Yet they will deny giving Mary attributes and abilities that belong only to God. It defies credulity.

3,625 posted on 12/29/2014 10:06:03 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ealgeone

You rant and all I see is blah blah blah and a bunch of scripture posted out of context.


3,655 posted on 12/29/2014 1:13:06 PM PST by verga
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