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To: Heart-Rest

Oh that was just to clever by half!! The comment was made “I can’t find that in any Bible I’ve ever read....even the KJV”. Having read them all ey? Interesting that all those version actually do include the phrase isn’t it?


2,647 posted on 12/21/2014 6:07:57 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear; terycarl
"Oh that was just to clever by half!! The comment was made “I can’t find that in any Bible I’ve ever read....even the KJV”. Having read them all ey? Interesting that all those version actually do include the phrase isn’t it? "

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CynicalBear, in my post #2606, I was responding to you and what you said in your post #2306, not to terycarl's post.

You are constantly making reference to the Bible Hub web site as an authoritative source, and if you look at the "Bible Hub" page for Matthew 6:13 ("http://biblehub.com/matthew/6-13.htm"), you will notice that in the majority of English translations they use there, that "Doxology" is not included.    (Count them for yourself.)

Furthermore, that same page for that Bible text on Bible Hub says the following at the conclusion of that page:

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"For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen—If any reliance is to be placed on external evidence, this doxology, we think, can hardly be considered part of the original text. It is wanting in all the most ancient manuscripts; it is wanting in the Old Latin version and in the Vulgate: the former mounting up to about the middle of the second century, and the latter being a revision of it in the fourth century by Jerome, a most reverential and conservative as well as able and impartial critic. As might be expected from this, it is passed by in silence by the earliest Latin fathers; but even the Greek commentators, when expounding this prayer, pass by the doxology. On the other hand, it is found in a majority of manuscripts, though not the oldest; it is found in all the Syriac versions, even the Peschito—dating probably as early as the second century—although this version lacks the "Amen," which the doxology, if genuine, could hardly have wanted; it is found in the Sahidic or Thebaic version made for the Christians of Upper Egypt, possibly as early as the Old Latin; and it is found in perhaps most of the later versions. On a review of the evidence, the strong probability, we think, is that it was no part of the original text. "

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2,699 posted on 12/21/2014 3:09:17 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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