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To: metmom
COURTESY PING TO ELSIE, which has again been negelected by a FRoman Catholic FReeper. Not necessarily but that's no different from Catholicism. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I don't know how to ping anyone other than the person who wrote the post that I am answering.so, sorry about that

The Eastern schism Catholics and the Roman Catholics are one church with internal differences...No, the church does not teach condemnation for denying the supremacy of the Pope.

the differences between the various Catholic branches are very minor in nature but serious only to those seeking total unity. Catholics of whatever branch are ALL CATHOLIC and represent the totality of Christianity.

As far as comparing Catholic divisions with the various protestant denominations, there is no analogy at all. The Protestant denominations are all independent of one another...they certainly share a majority of Christian heritage, but ALL of them differ on the interpretation of serious areas of Christian doctrines.All the Catholic groups KNOW that they are right and All of the protestant denominations think that they alone are right.

The restrictions on meat on Friday, eating for a certain time before Communion..all church rules, the abstinance from meat, for example wasn't even nearly universal...very localized. The sin, if one violated the rule, was denying that Christ's church (Catholic) had the authority to guide its members.

But, of course, you should know all this but because you couldn't understand it, you decided to make your own rules.......and then you accuse the Catholic church of doing exactly the same thing....O.K. for you, not O.K. for millions of Catholics before you....

1,931 posted on 12/18/2014 3:35:08 PM PST by terycarl ( common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl
Catholics of whatever branch are ALL CATHOLIC and represent the totality of Christianity.

What about the [so called] inferior illegitimate "separated" brethren?

It's been explained to you many times who Jesus' church is made up of.

In fact upthread a bit I taught you about it AGAIN, no problem. Jesus had many things repeated in the Bible so those that wish to deny His Truth can stumble across it again sometime.

Those eyes to see and ears to hear are talked about a lot by Jesus.

Oh and BTW, Jesus accepts no separated Christians, but takes gladly those that are not affiliated with the Catholic Church as true followers of God.

1,935 posted on 12/18/2014 3:51:45 PM PST by Syncro (Syncro, settng the record straight! Jesus is The Word, He is Life, The Way and The Truth :>)
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To: terycarl
I don't know how to ping anyone other than the person who wrote the post that I am answering.so, sorry about that

You're class of 98, which makes you having been on this forum for SIXTEEN years and you claim that you haven't yet figured out how to ping more than one person at a time?????

Forgive me for being incredulous.....

In the event that this is actually the case, in the *To* field is the comment "(use semi-colons to separate multiple recipients)".

It's self-explanatory from there.

Type in a ; and then add the next name and voila, you have multiple recipients.

1,999 posted on 12/18/2014 7:02:19 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: terycarl; daniel1212
The Eastern schism Catholics and the Roman Catholics are one church with internal differences...No, the church does not teach condemnation for denying the supremacy of the Pope.

Another doctrine that has been changed then from the church that Catholics claim never changes.

Previous popes and councils of yours have other opinions.

Pius 9, Quanto Conficiamur Moerore: “Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff..”
-http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9quanto.htm

Pope Pius IX, Amantissimus: “There are other, almost countless, proofs drawn from the most trustworthy witnesses which clearly and openly testify with great faith, exactitude, respect and obedience that all who want to belong to the true and only Church of Christ must honor and obey this Apostolic See and Roman Pontiff." Pope Pius IX, Amantissimus (On The Care Of The Churches), Encyclical promulgated on April 8, 1862, # 3.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/P9AMANT2.HTM

Pope Pius IX (1846–1878), Encyclical Singulari Quidem March 17, 1856): “There is only one true, holy, Catholic Church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded on Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church. (On the Unity of the Catholic Church)
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9singul.htm

Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos: Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors. Did not the ancestors of those who are now entangled in the errors of Photius [the eastern “Orthodox” schismatics] and the reformers, obey the Bishop of Rome, the chief shepherd of souls?...Let none delude himself with obstinate wrangling. For life and salvation are here concerned...” Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, PTC:873) The Promotion of True Religious Unity), 11, Encyclical promulgated on January 6, 1928, #11;
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19280106_mortalium-animos_en.html

Fifth Lateran Council: Moreover, since subjection to the Roman pontiff is necessary for salvation for all Christ's faithful, as we are taught by the testimony of both sacred scripture and the holy fathers, and as is declared by the constitution of pope Boniface VIII of happy memory, also our predecessor, which begins Unam sanctam, we therefore...renew and give our approval to that constitution... Fifth Lateran CouncilSession 11, 19 December 1516,
http://www.piar.hu/councils/ecum18.htm

Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215) [considered infallible by some]

Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema. — Vatican 1, Ses. 4, Cp. 1

The COUNCIL OF CONSTANCE under Pope John XXIII condemned the proposition of Wycliff that “It is not necessary for salvation to believe that the Roman church is supreme among the other churches.” [inasmuch as it would deny the primacy of the supreme pontiff over the other individual churches.] — Session 8—4 May 1415;
http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/CONSTANC.HTM

St. Thomas Aquinas: It is also shown that to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation. For Cyril says in his Thesaurus: “Therefore, brethren, if we imitate Christ so as to hear his voice remaining in the Church of Peter and so as not be puffed up by the wind of pride, lest perhaps because of our quarrelling the wily serpent drive us from paradise as once he did Eve.” And Maximus in the letter addressed to the Orientals [Greeks] says: “The Church united and established upon the rock of Peter’s confession we call according to the decree of the Savior the universal Church, wherein we must remain for the salvation of our souls and wherein loyal to his faith and confession we must obey him.” — St. Thomas Aquinas, Against the Errors of the Greeks, Pt. 2, ch. 36
http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraErrGraecorum.htm#b38

Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam sanctam (1302): "We are compelled in virtue of our faith to believe and maintain that there is only one holy Catholic Church, and that one is apostolic. This we firmly believe and profess without qualification. Outside this Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins, the Spouse in the Canticle proclaiming: 'One is my dove, my perfect one. One is she of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her' (Canticle of Canticles 6:8); which represents the one mystical body whose head is Christ, of Christ indeed, as God. And in this, 'one Lord, one faith, one baptism' (Ephesians 4:5). Certainly Noah had one ark at the time of the flood, prefiguring one Church which perfect to one cubit having one ruler and guide, namely Noah, outside of which we read all living things were destroyed… We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Promulgated November 18, 1302) "If, therefore, the Greeks or others say that they are not committed to Peter and to his successors, they necessarily say that they are not of the sheep of Christ, since the Lord says that there is only one fold and one shepherd (Jn.10:16). Whoever, therefore, resists this authority, resists the command of God Himself. " http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/b8-unam.html

2,001 posted on 12/18/2014 7:08:20 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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