The books...were...picture books?
Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
I will pray for you.
Man, the duplicity is astounding among catholics!
Now that we've established this is a "doctor" of the church and this quote is from a catholic website, what happens next is comical.
Ya'll cling, and I mean cling, to the ECFs and cite them as "evidence" of catholic tradition. Then, when a Christian posts a contradictory statement from a catholic "doctor" of the church, all of a sudden ya'll hide behind "Nobody ever said St. Catherine of Siena was infallible."
Is this really the best apologetics catholicism has to offer?
It sure gives the appearance of a cafeteria belief system.
Take a little of this writer, a little of that one, a word from over there, as long as they all agree and ignore the rest.
Heck of a program this catholicism.
The books...were...picture books?
So you're frequently challenging Catholics to defend stray quotes which were never claimed to be part of the "unchanging Magisterium" to begin with. Even popes and Doctors of the Church have erroneous theological opinions. Or didn't you know that?
That's not much of a "gotcha." You're working from a ludicrous over-expansion of the concept of doctrinal authority.
That’s the out that every Catholic uses for everything that is an embarrassment to them.
And yet not a word of condemnation against it.
At what length do y’all stop following the pope, and what does that make y’all?
The church have certainly posted strong condemnation for those who refuse to submit to the papacy.
And if you don’t, then what?
So show us where the Catholic church officially denounced those comments about following the pope even if he were Satan incarnate.
If they haven’t, they’ve accepted them.
**Even popes and Doctors of the Church have erroneous theological opinions.**
And yet every word typed by a Prod is held to a standard y’all don’t even hold your beloved pope too.
Depends on who you're praying to. If it's to Mary, don't waste your time.
I think I need to pray for you and all catholics to come out of the roman cult and come to Christianity.
No...it is catholics who have done this. They claim teaching extends beyond the NT and have to appeal to the ECFs, church doctors, and who knows who else. But when confronted with contrarian evidence they hide as you do.
So you're frequently challenging Catholics to defend stray quotes which were never claimed to be part of the "unchanging Magisterium" to begin with. Even popes and Doctors of the Church have erroneous theological opinions. Or didn't you know that?
If you're not denying the statement and claiming it to be bogus, then you're accepting it. Show me where the pope has said this is a bogus message.
That's not much of a "gotcha." You're working from a ludicrous over-expansion of the concept of doctrinal authority
Beg to differ....it's a huge "gotcha". The sad part is there's a whole lot more of these kind of statements in catholicism.
See here
Good thank you for following my suggestion to spend more time in prayer and Bible study, rather than troll the internet for more “gotcha” quotes and anti-Catholic rhetoric.
LOL I shuda knowed.
Here is my response: All of the non-Catholics and anti-Catholics need to spend more time in prayer and Bible study than you do trolling the internet for "gotcha" quotes and hateful anti-Catholic rhetoric.
Not dumb, arrogant. A binding doctrine is decreed of a particular event that occurred to a particular person which is not said to have happened to this particular person, unlike a couple others but who dd not die first, and which lacks even early records from tradition.
But the veracity of which rests upon the premise that Rome cannot be wrong in such a case, since she says she cannot.
Now how about some snake oil?
Bless God for what helps to His purposes.
Yep. They have been brain washed since childhood. They need to buy a good Bible and start reading it every day. I had no idea they believed this kind of junk. I was talking wih an electrician about this the other day when he came to fix the garage door opener. I asked him if he were catholic and he said no way. We talked about some of their beliefs and he knew more about them than I did and he was probably in his 20’s or 30’s. It was odd in a way because when I asked him, he said no way, that he was a Christian. God bless.
I have learned more these past few months than I ever had. Their beliefs had not come up in any conversations or at church. I would be running away from a group that believes that stuff after learning this info.
Or some snakes?
That I am free to disagree with Catherine does not mean that the Church changes what she proposes to us as Christ's Truth in faith and morals. Catherine's style of limitless filial devotion was not part of the credenda of the Church. Neither Catherine nor any other saint was a fountain of dogma.
So all your crowing is sophomoric at best. Everything Catherine wrote wasn't doctrine, any more than everything Thomas Jefferson wrote was the U.S. Constitution.
My RCIA students, some of who are just college drop-outs, all know this. I's not that hard to grasp.
You may not be in the least interested in the Hierarchy of Truth --- I understand that --- but just in case, I'll add this link anyway.
Some poor soul, God knows, may have waded through the pret'near 6,000 items on this thread, and still be looking for actual understanding instead of the usual volley of jibes.
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