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To: boatbums; nicmarlo; Resettozero; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; caww; CynicalBear; ...
I was thinking on this recently and it came to me that praying to created beings not only presupposes they have the ability to hear our prayers no matter where we/they are, how many others are praying the same prayers at the same time, but also the power to KNOW the thoughts and intents of our hearts. How many prayers do we say in our minds instead of out loud? Can they hear those, too? Can they know our motivations for what we pray about or the ability to know the will of God ahead of time and how it fits into His divine plan? I always believed that the devil couldn't hear my thoughts, couldn't read my mind, but, if angels and "saints" DO have that power, then they are gods, too! How else can it be explained? Some may rationalize this by claiming we don't know what power those in heaven have, but if we ascribe the SAME almighty abilities to them as to God, we are over the line into idol worship and cannot deny it logically. Far too much is swept under the rug so that the dogmas can be taught as true and the reason they are true is nothing more than "because we said so".

You said it.

Interesting thing, isn't it?

This is a great example.....

Here we clearly and plainly post what we believe, and yet some people here will not cease and desist from badgering us about our denominational affiliation on the pretense that only that way can they know what we believe, as if group think represents what we as individuals think and believe.

They totally ignore the very words that we ourselves post stating as such and imply that only by knowing some statement of faith, can they understand where we're coming from.

Aside from times where we refuse to reveal personal information, where have any of us not clearly stated what we believe, and yet we're accused of it all the time?

2,308 posted on 12/17/2014 4:02:38 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; boatbums
I was thinking on this recently and it came to me that praying to created beings not only presupposes they have the ability to hear our prayers no matter where we/they are, how many others are praying the same prayers at the same time, but also the power to KNOW the thoughts and intents of our hearts.

Been saying that for a long time. And when you have exactly zero prayers in Scripture addressed to anyone else in Heaven except the Lord, even out of the over 200 therein (including most of Psalms - though perhaps all are prayers - and presuming Ps. 119 consists of individual prayers, I have found a total of 205 prayers in the Bible Glory to God), to presume the Holy Spirit would neglect to leave this out is nigh unto blasphemy.

2,338 posted on 12/17/2014 5:53:36 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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