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To: Mrs. Don-o

Jesus GIVES the grace.

Mary was graced, given grace.

Therefore she’s a sinner.


1,058 posted on 12/12/2014 1:11:17 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Jesus GIVES the grace.

TRUE!

Mary was graced, given grace.

TRUE!

Therefore she’s a sinner.

DOES NOT FOLLOW!

You seem to have ignored the evidence of Jesus, and of Adam and Eve before the fall:

  1. Jesus is "full of grace" but is not a sinner.

  2. Pre-lapsarian Adam and pre-lapsarian Eve--- that is, our first parents in Paradise, before that first sin hit Eden like a tornado on a double-wide --- were, at that time, sinless, the two of them created in the unimpaired Image and Likeness of God, enjoying His favor and friendship (grace), but not sinners.

You seem to me making "grace" synonymous with mere "forgiveness." This lacks precision. Scripture says (Romans 6:23): "The grace of God is life everlasting."

Luke 2:52 And Jesus was increasing in wisdom and in years, and in grace before God and men.

1,067 posted on 12/12/2014 1:48:27 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ( "The grace of God is life everlasting." (Romans 6:23))
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