Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow
"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.
On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).
On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.
It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."
Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."
If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?
"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."
To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....
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Debate via youtube? LOL, figures
Naw, but hay you gotta have something!
Without backup for your claims, you post a south park video??
Oh no, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You assign all Protestants with what some do the Catholics get branded with what Palosi, Kennedy, Biden et al do. We wouldn't want to be hypocrites now would we.
One would think even Catholics could see that.
Been there. Done that. Which is how I know the following:
> You're implication, and a weak one at that, is that catholic gals aren't having abortions<
Is not an implication of mine, but an inference of yours. Logic.
It's an assumption on your part unless you have the religious background of women having abortions.
You really took a course in logic....wow. Of course, you never said you passed.
Now, let's deal with the facts.
More than seven in 10 U.S. women obtaining an abortion report a religious affiliation (37% protestant, 28% Catholic and 7% other), and 25% attend religious services at least once a month.[38] The abortion rate for protestant women is 15 per 1,000 women, while Catholic women have a slightly higher rate, 22 per 1,000.[32]http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/characteristics.html
reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points is it???
Jesus took His mother to be with Him in Heaven, I didn't indicate that it was at the time of His death nor His ascension...She was assumed into Heaven whenever He decided to do so.....probably at the moment of her death.
Yep, awesome on my side, too. I just found out last year the reason she became interested in ‘my Christianity’ was because years ago there was ‘something different’ about what I believe about God and Christ....and she wanted to know and understand.
I think she’s been saved about 12 years or more now. We worked together in downtown Los Angeles many, many years ago, when I was still a kid really, so I have no clue what I did or said, what seed I threw out, but the Holy Spirit used it. I still remember the day she told me she accepted Christ. It was a special day. (And she’d been very into her Catholic faith, teaching CCD (what they used to call Catechism—what I went through as a kid)).
Nothing hypocritical going on here. It is not my church which has succumbed to the secular order of the day and arguing through scriptural silence that the use of abortifacients is permissible even if it results in the death of unborn children.
In order to not be assigned is there any protestant here who will reject the use of artificial birth control which leads to the death of unborn children?
So more Catholic women per 1000 get divorced than Protestant. How interesting.
The Catholic Church claims He came to earth to get her. That would be one extra return to earth than Christ said would happen.
Proven by who? The same ones who edited out entire books of the Bible??...perhaps those to whom sola scriptura means something....or possibly those who cannot understand Take and eat of this "THIS IS MY BODY"......yeah, it is probably those 1,600 year late geniuses.
you know...for a Book catholics claim to have written they sure do dis it when they can.
I'm not Protestant so I suppose I am butting in but I would condemn their use. You're presumption that all Protestants agree to their use is hyperbole and rather getting old.
Thank you. This is why, I think, Roman Catholics should have stuck with the term "God-bearer" (Theotokos) rather than the disputed "Mother of God" title given to Mary. Jesus, the Son of God, second person of the Trinity, always existed, was not made, yet...when He became a man, took on human flesh (incarnated), the virgin Mary was the chosen vessel to give birth to that flesh. He, at that time, became the God-man, having both a human and Divine nature in one. I know many RCs understand this point but there are probably just as many, if not more, who do not and this confusion is what has led to Mary-worship. I just think a lot of that confusion could have been avoided.
I can surely understand “do not eat the blood” however and I would never assign to Christ the sin of eating blood and causing others to do so.
That's a fact. But, that's what happens when you try to retroactively claim something.
Thank you for making my point. The protestant cites the work of liars and murderers. Agents of Lucifer to support their argument. Can there be any doubt that the protestant is in league with them?
And once again the point is made The protestant mind is trapped in the numbers/majority game. Who does more than whom? How many support our view versus not? Etc. Not realizing that the time will soon be upon all of us when this protestant construct will have turned on its masters (as it has already done with contraception and is now doing it with abortion and homosexual sodomy).
But because a protestant's theological views are formed by their secular political views it is no surprise they take the "democratic" view.
Has your church/ecclesial community/ sola scriptura exegesis denounced the use of abortifacients?
The Holy Spirit personally wrote a Bible??...I'll bet that it would bring really big bucks at auction!!!
Actually, as we all know The Holy Spirit inspired the early Catholic Church to write the scriptures and thus the Bible..without the church you wouldn't even know what a bible was.....and no, The Holy Spirit probably would not have come to you and dictated a bible....
Oh that's rich. After Catholics time and time again compare the number of paedophile priests to either Protestant or secular numbers.
Proven by who?
Greek scholars for starters.
There are only two major translations that hold to the "full of grace" translation.
NASB which is the most literal of the translations holds it as "favored with grace. "
If you'd do a word study on this you'd see what the meaning is.
Don't take the word of the priest....do as the Bereans did and search the Scriptures yourself. You're allowed to you know.
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