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To: boatbums; Alamo-Girl; BlueDragon
the rule of faith - sacred Scriptures

The Church is the rule of faith, -- not the Holy Scripture. I repeat the question: Where does the Scripture proclaim itself the rule of faith?

"vain repetitions" in Scripture

That is common Protestant mistranslation of μη βαττολογησητε in Matthew 6:7. Also read Do Catholics Pray in Vain Repetitions?

Of course we repeat prayers. Christ did. Repeated prayers are in the scripture. The superstitious fear of repeated verbatim prayers in you is ironic because you just asked how prayer to Archangel Michael is biblical, but when something clearly is biblical -- you refuse to do it. So I laughed. I still do.

then why pray TO angels or "saints" or people who are not in this present life when God nowhere gives you permission to do so?

God gives us examples of conversation with saints and angels (and prayers to saints). For sure conversing with an angel is biblical (need examples?). So the idea that saints and angels are "not in this present life" or "mediums and spiritists" is atheist garbage and contrary to the Holy Scripture.

As is the entire Protestant project, by the way: a gradual descent to atheism.

That IS a form of worshiping

You know what is in my mind as I pray? You are what, medium and spiritist?

112 posted on 12/12/2014 7:40:12 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; Alamo-Girl; BlueDragon
The Church is the rule of faith, -- not the Holy Scripture. I repeat the question: Where does the Scripture proclaim itself the rule of faith?

No, it's not. The Rule of Faith is revealed by God TO man. He does this through His sacred word, preserved BY Him for us so that we have an objective and authoritative basis for what we believe. The "church" is supposed to be the supporter (buttress and pillar) of that truth NOT the origin of truth. Once you finally grasp that essential fact, you will begin to understand that NO man-made organization has authority over God's sacred word and, instead, is subject to it as were the Jewish people before. The Scriptures, because it ALONE is Divinely-inspired (that means "God-breathed"), proclaims repeatedly that we are to be obedient to what He tells us. You've been given references countless times so you should already know of which ones I speak.

Of course we repeat prayers. Christ did. Repeated prayers are in the scripture. The superstitious fear of repeated verbatim prayers in you is ironic because you just asked how prayer to Archangel Michael is biblical, but when something clearly is biblical -- you refuse to do it. So I laughed. I still do.

"Vain repetitions" are also called "empty phrases", "babbling", "meaningless repetitions", "saying meaningless things" like pagans and idolaters do. It was Jesus who said:

    But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. "So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. (Matt. 6:6-8)

If you can avoid doing what Jesus said we shouldn't do, you don't have anything to worry about, do you? There isn't any "superstitious" fear, just a willingness to obey Christ. Do you have any examples where Jesus, in teaching His followers about prayer, says they should, or could, pray to anyone BUT God? No, you don't. But, as we already know, RCs don't think they need bother with backing up their beliefs with God's word because if they say it's okay, it just IS. I prefer to obey God. Praying to angels is not Biblical, clearly or not. That's why I disagree with doing it. Everyone will answer to God for what they do. My conscience is clear.

God gives us examples of conversation with saints and angels (and prayers to saints). For sure conversing with an angel is biblical (need examples?). So the idea that saints and angels are "not in this present life" or "mediums and spiritists" is atheist garbage and contrary to the Holy Scripture.

LOL! Now, I can have a laugh. How in any sense does having a conversation with a being standing right in front of you translate into an okay to pray TO them? You going to try to pass on the idiotic rationalization that "pray" simply means "ask"? Sorry, praying to someone is presuming they can hear us. Angels aren't omnipresent, only God is. Saints that have died aren't either. Worship God, that's what they would tell anyone who tried to worship them OR pray TO them. And you have NO examples of approval or commands to anyone from God to do so. What it appears is that the Roman Catholic "communion of saints project" descends into a watered down faith so full of empty babblings, gullibleness and false angel/saint worship that any attempts to show a better way are ignored and shouted down. Y'all like to boast you have the fuller faith? If it's full of that kind of stuff it is bloated and worthless. Worship God. He alone is worthy of it.

115 posted on 12/12/2014 2:12:07 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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