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To: daniel1212

In a previous post I agreed that it is entirely within God’s province to call a fool a fool. But I don’t agree with any explanation that negates a clear command of the Lord Jesus Christ. He prohibits saying to a brother ‘You fool.’ If you believe that only applies to cases of unjust anger, what can anyone say to you? For me, it is a command of Jesus, and I would never, ever, risk His wrath by disobeying.

Plus, I never have cause to say to anyone’s face, ‘You fool.’ Showing the love of Jesus Christ takes precedence over labeling others a fool. I read the following in the 5th chapter of Galatians, and it inclines me to find kinder, gentler and more patient words to use in such situations:

13 For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.

16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh [g]sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you [h]please. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: [i]immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, [j]factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who [k]belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.


492 posted on 12/07/2014 3:11:39 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter
In a previous post I agreed that it is entirely within God’s province to call a fool a fool. But I don’t agree with any explanation that negates a clear command of the Lord Jesus Christ. He prohibits saying to a brother ‘You fool.’ If you believe that only applies to cases of unjust anger, what can anyone say to you? For me, it is a command of Jesus, and I would never, ever, risk His wrath by disobeying.

Then you ignored or simply dismissed what i just showed you, which negates your objection. For your premise is that it is a command of Jesus never to call one a fool, yet as i showed you, the Lord did so Himself, and says to follow Him, and the apostles did as much to others, while this is no more a blanket injunction than "thou shalt not kill" is in the previous verse.

And thus the "qualifying" without cause" is warranted, for as in the case of killing, the Lord is referencing the Law, which makes provision for killing, and as with the use of invectives, it supports it. (Rm. 13:1-7)

I order to maintain your objection then you must show this is a unequivocal prohibition, which you cannot do, while Scripture shows it is not.

Plus, I never have cause to say to anyone’s face, ‘You fool.’ Showing the love of Jesus Christ takes precedence over labeling others a fool.

Then you have not only charged Christ with disobeying His own command, but have charged Him with being unloving, since He called a group of people "fools and blind." For "Open rebuke is better than secret love."(Proverbs 27:5)

And not only Him, but all men of God in the Scriptures who did what Paul exampled and commanded in certain cases,

One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; (Titus 1:12-13)

But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.

That, in context, is carnal attacks which are not driven by a love for God and His holiness, nd hatred of the flesh, the world and the devil, and love for the well-being of others which sometimes requires sharp rebuke (the Lord said some churches made Him want to spit out them of His mouth), like as misbehavior can sometimes require spanking children by he same hands that hug.

May i ask when where you born again and realized the profound changes of regeneration in heart and life?

500 posted on 12/07/2014 6:51:14 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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