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To: boatbums
You've mentioned this "7000" figure several times on this thread. I'm curious where you get this from.

Romans 11:4. God has them reserved to not bow to antiChrist. There are also the 144,000 of the elect that lived throughout time. God has them already justified, He can interfere in their lives therefore.

645 posted on 11/28/2014 4:49:16 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Romans 11:4. God has them reserved to not bow to antiChrist. There are also the 144,000 of the elect that lived throughout time. God has them already justified, He can interfere in their lives therefore.

Correction...God DID reserve 7000 that did not bow their knee to Baal, as He told Elijah, who was in fear for his life fleeing to Horeb from Ahab and Jezebel and who thought he was alone in worshiping the true God. That was spoken of in I Kings 19:18, "Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel--all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and whose mouths have not kissed him." You claimed, however:

    There will be 7000 of us, not just me. Only 7000 will not worship antiChrist when he arrives. The rest are more into playing games and playing church rather than preparing themselves for the great deceiver. It's so easy to one of the 7000 out of 7 billion, don't fall for the great deceiver.

You included yourself among a group of 7000 FUTURE believers who will not worship the anti-christ, the false prophet or the Beast. This was NOT what Paul referred to in Romans 11:4, but he was assuring Christians that God ALWAYS has a remnant of true believers even when all looks bleak. That remnant will be FAR greater than the 7000 specifically spoken about to Elijah. It was why Paul continued:

    So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

    What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, as it is written:

      “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day.”


    And David says:


      “May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever.” (Rom. 11:6-10)

I also disagree with your contention that "there are also the 144,000 of the elect that lived throughout time". We know from Revelation chapters 7 and 14 that this group will be 12,000 men from each of the ten tribes of Israel (Rev. 7:4)who are virgins (Rev. 14:4), who are sealed by God with His mark upon their foreheads (Rev. 7:3) and protected from the fierce judgments of God upon the earth and who God will use in a miraculous way to turn all Israel back to the Messiah and lead them to the Lord. From the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary:

    As the fourteenth chapter begins with the 144,000 of Israel (compare Re 7:4-8, no longer exposed to trial as then, but now triumphant), so the fifteenth chapter begins with those who have overcome from among the Gentiles (compare Re 15:1-5 with Re 7:9-17); the two classes of elect forming together the whole company of transfigured saints who shall reign with Christ.

    1. a—A, B, C, Coptic, and Origen read, "the."

    Lamb … on … Sion—having left His position "in the midst of the throne," and now taking His stand on Sion.

    his Father's name—A, B, and C read, "His name and His Father's name."

    in—Greek, "upon." God's and Christ's name here answers to the seal "upon their foreheads" in Re 7:3. As the 144,000 of Israel are "the first-fruits" (Re 14:4), so "the harvest" (Re 14:15) is the general assembly of Gentile saints to be translated by Christ as His first act in assuming His kingdom, prior to His judgment (Re 16:17-21, the last seven vials) on the Antichristian world, in executing which His saints shall share. As Noah and Lot were taken seasonably out of the judgment, but exposed to the trial to the last moment [De Burgh], so those who shall reign with Christ shall first suffer with Him, being delivered out of the judgments, but not out of the trials. The Jews are meant by "the saints of the Most High": against them Antichrist makes war, changing their times and laws; for true Israelites cannot join in the idolatry of the beast, any more than true Christians. The common affliction will draw closely together, in opposing the beast's worship, the Old Testament and New Testament people of God. Thus the way is paved for Israel's conversion. This last utter scattering of the holy people's power leads them, under the Spirit, to seek Messiah, and to cry at His approach, "Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord."


717 posted on 11/28/2014 8:59:27 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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