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To: SierraWasp; MNDude
You might want to re-read the conclusion of the article at the link, in which Paul Kengor says that --- in the light of abundant evidence that Pope Francis has, and has always had, PUBLISHED, orthodox Catholic beliefs about marriage and sexuality --- it's not so much that Pope Francis is duping the Elton John types, but that some people are just so eager to be duped.

Some folks (right and left, inside and outside the Church), and despite abundant evidence, think Pope Francis wants to OK gay marriage. They'll be disappointed. I pity them. What they lack in intelligence, they make up for in stupidity.

7 posted on 11/21/2014 4:39:00 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Gay marriage is a machination of the Father of Lies to deceive the children of God."- Pope Francis)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well, I certainly don’t want ANYBODY to do that, but it seems to me that as the infallible “vicar of Christ” he certainly could be a little more biblically adamant instead of leaving it so vague and open to conjecture by all levels of intelligence!!!


19 posted on 11/22/2014 4:39:26 PM PST by SierraWasp (Put a plastic shopping bag over the Governor's bald head!!! I signed the petition to overturn this!!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

There’s abundant evidence of Pope Francis’ unbiblical beliefs and agendas, though. That’s just from his own words, which paint a picture of what his beliefs are, and also show the strategy that he and most of the Catholic leadership are using. They *are* duping people, but it’s not liberals, but the “true believers” who seem to believe in the infallibility of the Catholic Church. There has already been de facto change that has already affected people.

Pope Francis (and most of the Catholic leadership, judging by the recent synod alone) is simply double-tongued, and like a man who openly sleeps half of his nights out of the house with another woman, yet tells his wife he still loves her and is being perfectly faithful, and points to the nights he’s home with her as proof of it.

And let me tell you, I would be reluctant to be so definite about anything unless the proof was there, and that’s even more so when we are speaking of anything having to do with God, but again, there is so much evidence of what the Pope is working towards, which is already affecting changes, that it is unmistakable.

The Bible tells us we need to have a love of the truth (2 Thessalonians 2), that the Lord will give us wisdom if we ask in faith (James), that David prayed for Him to correct and lead him (Psalm 139), that we are to test the spirits (1 John 4), and of apostate and failing churches (Revelation). We aren’t to follow men, but to follow the Lord directly. He is our only Lord.

Now, on a matter of truth, shouldn’t Christians conclude there’s something very wrong with the Catholic Church when almost two-thirds of its leaders vote to approve homosexual unions, when Titus 3:10-11 says any heretic in the church should be warned at most twice, then put out of the church? If truth - the truth, because it comes from God - is what matters most, the answer is clear.

And let me also say that I don’t participate in discussions just to argue, which God’s Word forbids. I get involved out of concern, which is the Lord having given me burdens, as spiritual work.


23 posted on 11/23/2014 6:39:39 PM PST by Faith Presses On
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