Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 11/21/2014 3:08:09 PM PST by NYer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...
First of all, Pope Francis can’t do that. The Catholic Church’s understanding of sexuality and marriage is based not only on longtime immutable and undeniable truths but is embedded and integrated within the very fiber and fabric of its understanding of human relations and spiritual relations. That understanding has not only been consistent for 2,000 years but was advanced even further and deeper in recent decades by Pope John Paul II’s profound theology of the body. There’s not only a deeper biology undergirding the Church’s position on marriage but an extraordinarily rich theology that those ignorant of Church teaching could scarcely begin to imagine.

Catholic ping!

2 posted on 11/21/2014 3:08:42 PM PST by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

why dupe anyone? Why can’t he just be clear?


4 posted on 11/21/2014 3:40:07 PM PST by MNDude
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer
FTA:

He closed by urging prayer for those “who seek to support and strengthen the union of man and woman in marriage as a unique, natural, fundamental and beautiful good for persons, communities, and whole societies.”

That statement came just last weekend.

This has been and remains Pope Francis’ position on marriage and the family. So, why would the liberal world conclude anything else?

Interesting.

5 posted on 11/21/2014 3:47:18 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Gay marriage is a machination of the Father of Lies to deceive the children of God."- Pope Francis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer
What’s really happening is that liberals-progressives are misleading themselves, deluding themselves, naively setting up themselves for a big and severely disappointing surprise and sense of grave betrayal. And when it becomes painfully clear to them that Francis isn’t what they expect, he shouldn’t expect much charity from them.

Yes, I agree, both on the who misleads whom and what will come out of this in the end. The Church might, perhaps, institute a program or two for the divorced and remarried Catholics and for the gay Catholics, in the spirit of charity and that would be just fine. There will be no sexual revolution in the Church. With all his double-entendres, His Holiness never said anything that materially deviated from orthodoxy on the matter.

9 posted on 11/21/2014 7:56:47 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer
This article articulates what I have expected from the start with this pope.

I also predicted when he was elected that he is going to honk off both the Left and the Right--because that's the Jesuit tradition.

I know too many people who can't grasp how I can love my homosexual brothers and sisters and yet still stand up for traditional marriage.

12 posted on 11/21/2014 9:37:15 PM PST by Lysandru
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer
Sounds to me like Pope Frances can be clear enough when he wants to be or when the situation calls for it, odd that he isn't coming across as clearly now:
Yes, his choice of language and rhetoric opposing same-sex marriage isn’t as strong or (if you will) incendiary as it was when he was a cardinal in Argentina, where he declared same-sex marriage a diabolical effort of “the Father of Lies” to “destroy God’s plan… and deceive the children of God.”

He said then—only four years ago—that gay marriage discriminates against children “in advance,” depriving them of “their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God.”

It's fascinating to see how such a clear, concise opinion is translated into babble so as to fit into our world's dialog.

Breitbart was the last person, public or otherwise, I've heard note the importance of the national/world-wide "internal" dialog of our vast social/entertainment/news media to our individual internal dialog and understanding, but more importantly, that there are those who control it and shape it.

He's dead now...died young rather suddenly of a heart attack in a time of political change and conflict, probably just a coincidence...but this article and Pope Frances' past opinions makes me think that Breitbart was right as I notice and think about how that shaping and control is done.

There are "interesting times" and then there are times like these. If we stay on a road long enough, we'll get to where it goes. Just saying...

24 posted on 11/24/2014 7:40:42 AM PST by GBA ("Ashes to ashes" or "Dust to dust", it's all about the "to".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson