[Mrs. Don-o]

"It's the die-hard defenders of Francis whom I consider to be "patsies", "pollyannas" and "fools". "

Look what you're doing here. You've turned it into something personalized --- the issue is "Francis" --- are you for "Francis" o not ---- rather than focusing on particular policies, statements, actions, ISSUES.

This is not objective or just: it is making it thumbs-up or thumbs-down on the Holy Father, not thumbs-up or thumbs-down on the final Relatio of the Synod, the appointment of Kupich, the address to the Humanum conference, the World Meeting of Families, or whatever it is you want to discuss.

If we don''t make it a personal thing about Pope Francis, --- if we keep it on the level of doctrine, discipline, and policy, as Cardinal Burke does --- we will be doing well.

I admire Burke more and more every day. Really, what an admirable priest.

[ebb tide]

Look what you're doing here.

It is you who brought up "patsy", "pollyanna" and "fool" in the first place. So who's making it personal?

You repeatedly accuse other freepers of slander, calumny, etc with no back-up. Again, who's making it personal?

[BlatherNaut]

If we don''t make it a personal thing about Pope Francis, --- if we keep it on the level of doctrine, discipline, and policy, as Cardinal Burke does --- we will be doing well.

Are you unaware that Cardinal Burke has directly criticized Francis, and has urged Catholics to make their opinions known? Catholics are not obligated to quietly acquiesce to heresy. In fact, we are OBLIGATED to publicly resist it, no matter the source. A Pope who is telling people that "religion is not the way" is a Pope who is running amok.