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To: Mrs. Don-o
I was interested in your point of view.

And I gave it to you.

Here's more of my point of view. If you still think Francis is trying to convert anybody, including Patti Smith, to the Catholic religion, I think you'll be sorely disappointed. He didn't do it with his co-author Rabbi Skorka, he didn't do it with the muslims at Lampedusa, he didn't do it with the atheist newspaper editor, Eugenio Scalfari, and he certainly didn't do it with Tony Palmer, whom Francis actually discouraged from converting to the One, True Faith.

Francis, however, did order the protestant Palmer to be given a Catholic requiem Mass fit for a bishop.

“Father David told us that because Tony [Palmer] was not a Roman Catholic he had to ask his bishop’s permission to celebrate the requiem and though Tony’s wife and children are Roman Catholics, permission still had to be given for the requiem. The bishop agreed but said that Tony could not be buried as a bishop as he was not a Roman Catholic bishop. However, Pope Francis said he should and could be buried as a bishop, and so that put an end to that little bit of ecclesiastical nonsense!”[1]

Protestant Tony Palmer Receives Catholic Requiem Mass Report: Pope Francis Insists he be “Buried as a Bishop”

And finally a question, Mrs. Don-o, why do you consider posting ugly facts as slander?

161 posted on 11/16/2014 6:06:59 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Mrs. Don-o
And finally a question, Mrs. Don-o, why do you consider posting ugly facts as slander?

My mistake; meant to say "calumny", not "slander".

162 posted on 11/16/2014 6:25:08 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Posting ugly facts isn't the sin of slander. If there is not sufficient reason for it being posted, it is the sin of detraction.

And additionally, the sin of scandal-mongering.

By "a sufficient reason" I mean a well-founded expectation that a proportionate good will be actually achieved, or a proportionate evil will be actually averted, by disclosing the fault or sin. A few examples:

It is sinful to expose anther persons' failings unless there is proportionate necessity; and the graver the failings, the graver the necessity would have to be.

Since we are not in a position of authority over Patti Smith, are not in charge of hiring or firing her as a singer, and in no position to either minister to her or prevent the re-release of her vulgar juvenalia from 40 years ago, we are back to what the Catechism says:

IV. RESPECT FOR THE TRUTH

2488 (Link)The right to the communication of the truth is not unconditional. Everyone must conform his life to the Gospel precept of fraternal love. This requires us in concrete situations to judge whether or not it is appropriate to reveal the truth to someone who asks for it.

2489 (Link) Charity and respect for the truth should dictate the response to every request for information or communication. The good and safety of others, respect for privacy, and the common good are sufficient reasons for being silent about what ought not be known or for making use of a discreet language. The duty to avoid scandal often commands strict discretion. No one is bound to reveal the truth to someone who does not have the right to know it.

V. THE USE OF THE SOCIAL COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA

2497 (Link) By the very nature of their profession, journalists have an obligation to serve the truth and not offend against charity in disseminating information. They should strive to respect, with equal care, the nature of the facts and the limits of critical judgment concerning individuals. They should not stoop to defamation.

What I am seeing on FR is the dissemination of damaging information about people without any reasonable expectation that good will come of it.

ON the contrary, there is a complete lack of concern for the sin of scandal-mongering, which is amplifying the damaging effects of someone's conduct by publicizing it, mulitplying the harm they have done by constant re-exposure, gratifying people's corrupt appetite for "getting the dirt" on somebody else.

Such "reporting" just fans old sparks into new conflagrations, exposes innocent audiences anew to bad behavior, and makes it exponentially more difficult for the original guilty parties to approach the Church in any expectation of a merciful reception.

I rejoice in the possibility that Patti Smith is approaching Rome, not to trash the Pope like Sinead O'Connor, and not to desecrate the sanctuary like Pussy Riot, but to sing a grateful hymn in honor of Christ's birth as indeed she already did in 2013.

The Prodigal is approaching from afar. Don't be like the Prodigal's resentful Older Brother (the Other Son) who can't stop huffing and hissing, "Don't you realize what (s)he DID?"

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

Colossians 3:8
But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

163 posted on 11/17/2014 8:15:31 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Burke for Pope.)
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To: don-o
(Meant to include you in this ping)

Posting ugly facts isn't the sin of slander. If there is not sufficient reason for it being posted, it is the sin of detraction.

And additionally, the sin of scandal-mongering.

By "a sufficient reason" I mean a well-founded expectation that a proportionate good will be actually achieved, or a proportionate evil will be actually averted, by disclosing the fault or sin. A few examples:

It is sinful to expose anther persons' failings unless there is proportionate necessity; and the graver the failings, the graver the necessity would have to be.

Since we are not in a position of authority over Patti Smith, are not in charge of hiring or firing her as a singer, and in no position to either minister to her or prevent the re-release of her vulgar juvenalia from 40 years ago, we are back to what the Catechism says:

IV. RESPECT FOR THE TRUTH

2488 (Link)The right to the communication of the truth is not unconditional. Everyone must conform his life to the Gospel precept of fraternal love. This requires us in concrete situations to judge whether or not it is appropriate to reveal the truth to someone who asks for it.

2489 (Link) Charity and respect for the truth should dictate the response to every request for information or communication. The good and safety of others, respect for privacy, and the common good are sufficient reasons for being silent about what ought not be known or for making use of a discreet language. The duty to avoid scandal often commands strict discretion. No one is bound to reveal the truth to someone who does not have the right to know it.

V. THE USE OF THE SOCIAL COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA

2497 (Link) By the very nature of their profession, journalists have an obligation to serve the truth and not offend against charity in disseminating information. They should strive to respect, with equal care, the nature of the facts and the limits of critical judgment concerning individuals. They should not stoop to defamation.

What I am seeing on FR is the dissemination of damaging information about people without any reasonable expectation that good will come of it.

ON the contrary, there is a complete lack of concern for the sin of scandal-mongering, which is amplifying the damaging effects of someone's conduct by publicizing it, mulitplying the harm they have done by constant re-exposure, gratifying people's corrupt appetite for "getting the dirt" on somebody else.

Such "reporting" just fans old sparks into new conflagrations, exposes innocent audiences anew to bad behavior, and makes it exponentially more difficult for the original guilty parties to approach the Church in any expectation of a merciful reception.

I rejoice in the possibility that Patti Smith is approaching Rome, not to trash the Pope like Sinead O'Connor, and not to desecrate the sanctuary like Pussy Riot, but to sing a grateful hymn in honor of Christ's birth as indeed she already did in 2013.

The Prodigal is approaching from afar. Don't be like the Prodigal's resentful Older Brother (the Other Son) who can't stop huffing and hissing, "Don't you realize what (s)he DID?"

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

Colossians 3:8
But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

164 posted on 11/17/2014 8:16:18 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Burke for Pope.)
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