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The Strawman Cometh-Continuation of threads on Joseph Smith's wives
exmormon.org ^ | November 11, 2014 | Anonymous

Posted on 11/13/2014 8:53:33 AM PST by greyfoxx39

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To: Elsie

Heh. That’d be correct. Shattered my clavicle, nicked an artery, came within an inch of leaving me paralyzed on the right side. The cops told me later that the best thing to do was move out of town because they couldn’t keep up with the escalating violence/crime.


181 posted on 11/13/2014 8:04:04 PM PST by Sparklite
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To: Sparklite

I can see how your thinking has been clarified!

Once burnt...


182 posted on 11/13/2014 8:10:45 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Right, I have slept a couple times since I read any doctrine and covenants but it seems Joseph Smith believed that only a prophet was entitled to more than one wife, and there could only be one prophet on earth at a time.

About 50 years ago I was broke down near a mining camp in Utah on a three day week end, alone and nothing to read except a book of Mormon which did not convince me but was partly responsible for my interest in the Bible.


183 posted on 11/14/2014 6:06:22 AM PST by ravenwolf (` know if an other temple will be built or not but the)
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To: ravenwolf
...near a mining camp in Utah...

Care to divulge where?

184 posted on 11/14/2014 11:47:12 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
Right, I have slept a couple times since I read any doctrine and covenants but it seems Joseph Smith believed that only a prophet was entitled to more than one wife, and there could only be one prophet on earth at a time.

Here ya go; brush up...


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
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58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.


 

58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.


185 posted on 11/14/2014 11:49:04 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

Note the scripture says VIRGIN?

How did JS justify to his god the taking of other men's wives - obviously NON-virgin?

186 posted on 11/14/2014 11:50:49 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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187 posted on 11/14/2014 12:21:11 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

How did JS justify to his god the taking of other men’s wives - obviously NON-virgin?


He couldn’t if true and I say that seeing it as hearsay, which does not mean it is not fact but I don`t know.

Billy the kid was said to have killed 19 men but they have proof of only 4 and that is even debatable.


188 posted on 11/14/2014 12:45:54 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: Elsie

Care to divulge where?


Way out back of Blanding.


189 posted on 11/14/2014 1:14:04 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: greyfoxx39; Elsie; colorcountry
Ad in the Ogden Standard Examiner this morning.


190 posted on 11/14/2014 1:17:39 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Elsie

Doctrines and covenants 132- 7

(and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred),

The laws of the priest hood was just for Joseph Smith because there could only be one priest on earth at a time and he was it.

It looks to me like Polygamy at least originally was against the law except for the priest, as plural wives are forbidden in the book of Mormon.

How ever when I found out I could not have more than one wife I lost interest.

Oh well now I thank god I couldn’t.


191 posted on 11/14/2014 1:26:52 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: Utah Binger

Wondering what the good citizens of Ogden think about THAT!


192 posted on 11/14/2014 1:38:45 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Valerie Jarrett warned us they would "get even with those who opposed them"..)
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To: greyfoxx39
Can't wait to hear my relatives fail to speak. And here in southern Utah it might be fun to buy a box to sell on our site as an art book with the sub title: "The Fine Art of Lying for 180 Years"
193 posted on 11/14/2014 1:50:38 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger
And here in southern Utah it might be fun to buy a box to sell on our site as an art book with the sub title: "The Fine Art of Lying for 180 Years"

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194 posted on 11/14/2014 2:55:59 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Valerie Jarrett warned us they would "get even with those who opposed them"..)
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To: ravenwolf

That IS remote!

And some of MY favorite area; too!


195 posted on 11/14/2014 4:19:33 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
In reply #186 I re-posted the ANY man verse...
196 posted on 11/14/2014 4:21:59 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

In reply #186 I re-posted the ANY man verse... ——————————————————————
Yes you are right, that does make it seem to rule out only the priesthood, but it contradicts the book of Mormon which forbids a man having more than one wife which leaves it open for debate.

It is probably not a laughing matter but it does get kind of funny to me.

If the Mormons kept away from Church doctrine we can see very plainly that the book of Mormon forbids a man having more than one wife, yet the Mormons took up polygamy even though it was against what their Bible said..

On the other hand The Bible that I read says nothing against a man having more than one wife.

But the people who read the same bible I do forbids the practice, calls it an abomination and even puts it in the same category as sodomy.

Is there something back wards here or what?

And no I am certainly not promoting polygamy, all I am trying to do is to get these religionists to get back to the Bible.


197 posted on 11/15/2014 8:41:35 AM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: ravenwolf
Yes you are right, that does make it seem to rule out only the priesthood, but it contradicts the book of Mormon which forbids a man having more than one wife which leaves it open for debate.

Of course; that is the point!

The most PERFECT book (BoM) seems to have been INCORRECT!

There are quite a few BoM/D&C clashes.

The BoM was plagiarized from the Bible, and D&C's are made up from... well; I'll leave THAT exercise up to the student.

198 posted on 11/16/2014 4:24:10 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
Is there something back wards here or what?

I'll go with the 'what'.




199 posted on 11/16/2014 4:26:33 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
On the other hand The Bible that I read says nothing against a man having more than one wife.

The Bible doesn't speak to a LOT of things; but that doesn't mean we should run out and do them.

We STILL 'look thru a glass darkly'...

200 posted on 11/16/2014 4:27:59 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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