[CynicalBear]

>>You just don't learn, do you?<<

I've learned a lot in my near 70 years. I know to trust what Jesus said over what apostates say.

>>I guess Isaiah 28:13 has to be represented for others to see, also.<<

Actually the whold of Isaiah 28 not just verse 13. It goes on to say in verse 15 "Because you have said, "We have made a covenant with death, And with Sheol we have made a pact. The overwhelming scourge will not reach us when it passes by, For we have made falsehood our refuge and we have concealed ourselves with deception."

It's the followers of Armstrong who claim their is no eternal torment in hell. It's the followers of Armstrong who say there are multiple gods.

[Yosemitest]

And who's church made that "covenant with death" ?

Have you not studied the Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete) on Isaiah 28: Verses 14-22 ?

" ... Verses 14-22

The prophet, having reproved those that made a jest of the word of God, here
goes on to reprove those that made a jest of the judgments of God,
and set them at defiance;
for he is a jealous God,
and will not suffer either his ordinances or his providences to be brought into contempt.
He addressed himself to the scornful men who ruled in Jerusalem, who were the magistrates of the city, v. 14.
It is bad with a people when their thrones of judgment
become the seats of the scornful,
when rulers
are scorners;
but that the rulers of Jerusalem should be men of such a character, that they should make light of God’s judgments
and scorn to take notice of the tokens of his displeasure,
is very sad.
Who will be mourners in Zion if they are scorners?

Observe,
I. How these scornful men lulled themselves asleep in carnal security,
and even challenged God Almighty to do his worst (v. 15)
You have said, We have made a covenant with death and the grave.
They thought themselves as sure of their lives,
even when the most destroying judgments were abroad,
as if they had made a bargain with death, upon a valuable consideration,
not to come till they sent for him
or not to take them away by any violence,
but by old age.
If we be at peace with God, and have made a covenant with him,
we have in effect made a covenant with death
that it shall come in the fittest time,
that whenever it comes,
it shall be no terror to us, nor do us any real damage;
death is ours if we be Christ’s (1 Co. 3:22, 1 Co. 3:23 ):
but to think of making death our friend, or being in league with it,
while by sin
we are making God our enemy
and are at war with him,
is the greatest absurdity that can be.
It was fond conceit which these scorners had, "When the overflowing scourge shall pass through our country, and others shall fall under it,
yet it shall not come to us, not reach us, though it extend far,
not bear us down, though it is an overflowing scourge.’’
It is the greatest folly imaginable for impenitent sinners to think that
either in this world or the other
they shall fare better than their neighbours.
But what is the ground of their confidence?
Why, truly, We have made lies our refuge.

Either, 1. Those things which the prophets told them would be lies and falsehood to them and would deceive,
but which they themselves looked upon as substantial fences.
The protection of their idols,
the promises with which their false prophets soothed them,
their policy, their wealth, their interest in the people;
these they confided in,
and not in God;
nay, these they confided in against God.

Or, 2. Those things which should be lies and falsehood to the enemy, who was flagellum Dei—the scourge of God, the overflowing scourge;
they would secure themselves by imposing upon the enemy with their stratagems of war, or their feigned submissions in treaties of peace.
The rest of the cities of Judah were taken because they made an obstinate defence; but the rulers of Jerusalem hope to succeed better.
They think themselves greater politicians than those of the country towns;
they will compliment the king of Assyria with a promise to surrender their city,
or to become tributaries to him,
with a purpose at the same time to shake off his yoke as soon as the danger is over,
not caring though they be found liars to him, as the expression is, Deu. 33:29 .
Note, Those put a cheat upon themselves
that think to gain their point
by putting cheats upon those they deal with.
Those that pursue their designs by trick and fraud,
by mean and paltry shifts,
may perhaps compasss them,
but cannot expect comfort in them.
Honesty is the best policy.
But such refuges as these are those driven to that
depart from God,
and throw themselves out of his protection.


II. How God, by the prophet, awakens them out of this sleep, and shows them the folly of their security.

1. He tells them upon what grounds they might be secure.
He does not disturb their false confidences,
till he has first shown them a firm bottom on which they may repose themselves (v. 16):
Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone.
This foundation is,
(1.) The promises of God in general—his word,
upon which he has caused his people to hope—his covenant with Abraham,
that he would be a God to him and his;
this is a foundation, a foundation of stone, firm and lasting, for faith to build upon;
it is a tried stone, for all the saints have stayed themselves upon it and it never failed them.
(2.) The promise of Christ in particular;
for to him this is expressly applied in the New Testament, 1 Pt. 2:6-8 .
He is that stone which has become the head of the corner.
The great promise of the Messiah and his kingdom, which was to begin at Jerusalem, was sufficient to make God’s people easy in the worst of times;
for they knew well that till he came the sceptre should not depart from Judah.
Zion shall continue while this foundation is yet to be laid there. "Thus saith the Lord Jehovah, for the comfort of those that dare not make lies their refuge,
Behold, and look upon me as one that has undertaken to lay in Zion a Stone,’’ Jesus Christ is a foundation of God’s laying.
This is the Lord’s doing.
He is laid in Zion, in the church, in the holy hill.
He is a tried stone, a trying stone (so some), a touch-stone, that shall distinguish between true and counterfeit.
He is a precious stone, for such are the foundations of the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:19 ),
a corner-stone, in whom the sides of the building are united, the head-stone of the corner.
And he that believes these promises, and rests upon them, shall not make haste, shall not run to and fro in a hurry,
as men at their wits’ end, shall not be shifting hither and thither for his own safety,
nor be driven to his feet by any terrors,
as the wicked man is said to be (Job. 18:11 ),
but with a fixed heart shall quietly wait the event, saying,
Welcome the will of God.
He shall not make haste in his expectations,
so as to anticipate the time set in the divine counsels,
but, though it tarry, will wait the appointed hour, knowing that he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
He that believes will not make more haste than good speed, but be satisfied that God’s time is the best time,
and wait with patience for it.
The apostle from the Septuagint explains this, 1 Pt. 2:6 .
He that believes on him shall not be confounded; his expectations shall not be frustrated, but far out-done.

2. He tells them that upon the grounds which they now built on
they could not be safe,
but their confidences would certainly fail them (v. 17):
Judgment will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet.
This denotes,
(1.) The building up of his church;
having laid the foundation (v. 16), he will raise the structure, as builders do, by line and plummet, Zec. 4:10 .
Righteousness shall be the line and judgment the plummet.
The church, being grounded on Christ, shall be formed and reformed by the scripture,
the standing rule of judgment and righteousness.
Judgment shall return unto righteousness, Ps. 94:15 .
Or, (2.) The punishing of the church’s enemies,
against whom he will proceed in strict justice,
according to the threatenings of the law.
He will give them their deserts, and bring upon them the judgments they have challenged,
but in wisdom too,
and by an exact rule, that the tares may not be plucked up with the wheat.
And when God comes thus to execute judgment,
[1.] These scornful men will be made ashamed of the vain hopes with which they had deluded themselves.
First, They designed to make lies their refuge;
but it will indeed prove a refuge of lies, which the hail shall sweep away, that tempest of hail spoken of v. 2.
Those that make lies their refuge build upon the sand,
and the building will fall when the storm comes,
and bury the builder in the ruins of it.
Those that make any thing their hiding place but Christ shall find that the waters will overflow it,
as every shelter but the ark was over-topped and overthrown by the waters of the deluge.
Such is the hope of the hypocrite; this will come of all his confidences.
Secondly, They boasted of a covenant with death, and an agreement with the grave; but it shall be disannulled,
as made without his consent who has the keys and sovereign command of hell and death.
Those do but delude themselves
that think by any wiles to evade the judgments of God.
Thirdly, They fancied that
when the overflowing scourge should pass through the land
it should not come near them;
but the prophet tells them
that then, when others were falling by the common calamity,
they should not only share in it,
but should be trodden down by it:
"You shall be to it for a treading down;
it shall triumph over you as much as over any other,
and you shall become its easy prey.’’
They are further told (v. 19),
1. That it shall begin with them;
they shall be so far from escaping it
that they shall be the first that shall fall by it:
"From the time it goes forth
it shall take you,
as if it came on purpose to seize you.’’
2. That it shall pursue them closely:
"Morning by morning shall it pass over; as duly as the day returns
you shall hear of some desolation or other made by it;
for divine justice will follow its blow;
you shall never be safe nor easy
by day nor by night;
there shall be a pestilence walking in darkness
and a destruction wasting at noonday.’’
3. That there shall be no avoiding it:
"The understanding of the report of its approach shall not give you any opportunity to make your escape,
for there shall be no way of escape open;
but it shall be only a vexation,
you shall see it coming,
and not see how to help yourselves.’’
Or,
"The very report of it at a distance will be a terror to you;
what then will the thing itself be?’
’ Evil tidings are a terror and vexation to scorners,
but he whose heart is fixed, trusting in God,
is not afraid of them;
whereas, when the overflowing scourge comes,
then all the comforts and confidences of scorners fail them, v. 20.
(1.) That in which they thought to repose themselves
reaches not to the length of their expectations:
The bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself upon it, so that he is forced to cramp and contract himself.
(2.) That in which they thought to shelter themselves proves insufficient to answer the intention:
The covering is narrower than that a man can wrap himself in it.
Those that do not build upon Christ as their foundation, but rest in a righteousness of their own,
will prove in the end thus to have deceived themselves;
they can never be easy, safe, nor warm;
the bed is too short, the covering is too narrow;
like our first parents’ fig-leaves,
the shame of their nakedness will still appear.
[2.] God will be glorified in the accomplishment of his counsels, v. 21.
When God comes to contend with these scorners,
First, He will do his work, and bring to pass his act,
he will work for his own honour and glory, according to his own purpose;
the work shall appear to all that see it to be the work of God as the righteous Judge of the earth.
Secondly, He will do it now against His people,
as formerly he did it against their enemies,
by which his justice will appear to be impartial;
he will now rise up against Jerusalem as, in David’s time,
against the Philistines in Mount Perazim (2 Sa. 5:20 ),
and as, in Joshua’s time, against the Canaanites in the valley of Gibeon.
If those that profess themselves members of God’s church by their pride and scornfulness
make themselves like Philistines and Canaanites,
they must expect to be dealt with as such.
Thirdly, This will be his strange work, his strange act, his foreign deed.
It is work that he is backward to:
he rather delights in showing mercy, and does not afflict willingly.
It is work that he is not used to
as to his own people;
he protects and favours them.
It is a strange work indeed if he turn to be their enemy and fight against them, ch. 63:10 .
It is a work that all the neighbours will stand amazed at (Deu. 29:24 ),
and therefore the ruins of Jerusalem are said to be an astonishment, Jer. 25:18 .
Lastly, We have the use and application of all this (v. 22):
"Therefore be you not mockers; dare not to ridicule either the reproofs of God’s word or the approaches of his judgments.’’
Mocking the messengers of the Lord was Jerusalem’s measure-filling sin.
The consideration of the judgments of God that are coming upon hypocritical professors
should effectually silence mockers,
and make them serious:
"Be you not mockers, lest your bands be made strong,
both the bands by which you are bound under the dominion of sin’
’ (for there is little hope of the conversion of mockers) "
and the bands by which you are bound over to the judgments of God.’’


God has bands of justice strong enough to hold those
that break all the bonds of his law asunder
and cast away all his cord from them.
Let not these mockers make light of divine threatenings,
for the prophet (who is one of those with whom the secret of the Lord is) assures them
that the Lord God of hosts has, in his hearing, determined a consumption upon the whole earth;
and can they think to escape?
or shall their unbelief invalidate the threatening? ... "

So the GREAT WHORE fills her congregation with pompous ceremony and chaff, but very rarely does she give any truth, ~ or wisdom.

[Yosemitest]

"It's the followers of Armstrong who say there are multiple gods. "

So you don't believe there is the HEAVENLY FATHER AND HIS SON, JESUS CHRIST ?