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To: NKP_Vet
I'm aware of the claims originating with biographer Sergio Rubín, that Bergoglio supported homosexual civil unions, and the counter-claims (from Miguel Woites, a confidant of Pope Francis while he was archbishop of Buenos Aires), saying he did not.

In an interview granted to the Catholic news agency ACI Prensa, Woites said that the story "isn't true. It's a complete error."

So there are conflicting claims.

We do know that in some instanes, competing versions of "civil union" have been proffered. Some of them are not predicated on a sex-themed realtiosnship, and center on insurance and inheritance entitlements, such as might benefit non-sexually linked people, like a disabled adult and caregiver, or elderly widowed or spinster sisters sharing a house. It could benefit anyone signing up for it, e.g. by being allowed to designate one non-relative as being under family coverage for insurance purposes.

That a person is exploring such contract arrangements, or discussing them, or urging careful consideration of different options, does not mean they are for accepting/normalizing unions based on sodomitic vice.

The implication that Bergoglio would do so (normalize sodomy) would need more specific and detailed evidence. I would not believe it without such evidence.

52 posted on 11/13/2014 10:01:13 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves and each other, and all our life unto Christ our God." Liturgy of St.John)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I said he floated the idea. It was shot down by the other bishops.


53 posted on 11/13/2014 12:16:18 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("PRO FIDE, PRO UTILITATE HOMINUM")
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To: Mrs. Don-o; NKP_Vet
The implication that Bergoglio would do so (normalize sodomy) would need more specific and detailed evidence. I would not believe it without such evidence.

The fact that he promoted a statement in the relatio post disceptationem which imputes good to what the Church has always taught is intrinsic evil shows an obvious lack of constraint on his part. He has already crossed an inviolable line. This being the case, there is no reason to presume he will refrain from further pushing the envelope.

"Without denying the moral problems connected to homosexual unions it has to be noted that there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of the partners."

60 posted on 11/13/2014 2:09:14 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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