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To: metmom

“That is not presumption. That is taking God at His word. It’s called *trust* and *faith*.”

That is precisely why mortal man cannot know if one is worthy of heaven or eternal damnation - everybody falls short. Everyone.


381 posted on 11/08/2014 2:20:11 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer; metmom
>>That is precisely why mortal man cannot know if one is worthy of heaven or eternal damnation - everybody falls short. Everyone.<<

It's not us that the Father looks at. It's Christ in us. Those who are looking to themselves will fall catastrophically short.

383 posted on 11/08/2014 2:28:15 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: RFEngineer
That is precisely why mortal man cannot know if one is worthy of heaven or eternal damnation - everybody falls short. Everyone.

Exactly.

That's why it's based on God's mercy and grace and the gift of forgiveness that God offers those who trust Him.

385 posted on 11/08/2014 2:38:29 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: RFEngineer; metmom; CynicalBear; daniel1212
That is precisely why mortal man cannot know if one is worthy of heaven or eternal damnation - everybody falls short. Everyone.

Ignorance is bliss for some people. It is a shame that the simple Truth cannot be seen through the indoctrinal catechism of the Roman Catholic religious.

Paul wrote much on the subject and explained it in detail. He offers himself as a prime example of our place in God's economy.

Romans 7: 4 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! ...

8: 8 ... 1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. ... (NIV)

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386 posted on 11/08/2014 2:44:03 PM PST by WVKayaker (Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
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