What hubris! I grew up in the reformed church and have studied both their views and compared them to scripture for now 40 years. I’m done with your snide presumptuous arrogance.
“What hubris! I grew up in the reformed church and have studied both their views and compared them to scripture for now 40 years.”
I am sorry if 40 years in the reformed church has led you to think that it is hubris that reformers taught these things about prophecy. What historicist prophecy teachers have you read? Guiness, Newton, Elliot, Dawe, Jaynes, Caringola, Rand, Campbell, Neser, others? Perhaps freepers might like some sources.
To quote “What Believers Don’t Have To Believe: The Non-Essentials of the Christian Faith” by Craig Payne. “Although the Historicist view is the least popular today, notable Christians who have held it in one form or another include Luther, John Wycliffe, John Knox, Ulrich Zwingli, John Calvin, Isaac Newton, Johnathan Edwards, Charles Finney, Matthew Henry, Adam Clarke, and Charles Spurgeon.”
Sounds like a who’s who in reformed theology. You may imply I am a liar, and state that I have “total lack of understanding prophesy”, but I will happily stand by the side of those giants and agree with historicist interpretation. :-)
Here is a partial list of those predicting the French Revolution based on historicist prophecy. from http://historicist.info/articles2/froom.htm
1.Brightman(1644)
2.Durham(1660)
3.Mede(1663)
4.More(1680)
5.Goodwin(1683)
6.Jurieu(1687)
7.Cradock(1696)
8.Fleming(1701)
9.Whiston(1706)
10.Waple(1715)
11.Vitringa(1719)
12.Daubuz(1720)
13.Robertson(1730)
14.Pyle(1735)
15.Lowman(1745)
16.Bishop Newton(1748)
17.Johnson(1794).*2
Here is a partial list of those teaching the year-day principle of historicist prophecy
Tichonius (AD 380)
Augustine (AD 430)
Nahawendi (Jewish) (AD 8-9th century)
Jehoram (AD 10th century)
Abraham bar Hiyya (Jewish) (AD 1136)
Arnold of Villanova AD (1292)
Joachim of Floris (AD 1202)
John Wycliffe (AD c.1379)
Nicholas of Cusa (AD c.1452)
Martin Luther (AD 1522)
Phillip Melanchthon (AD 1543)
Johan Funck (AD 1558)
James I of England (AD 1600)
more historicist sources from http://www.testimony-magazine.org/back/jun2010/burke.pdf:
The Turkish empire withered and dried up as a necessary antecedent to the return of the Jews to their land, as predicted accurately by Brightman (1605), Goodwin (1639), Owen (1639), Mede (1640), Durham (1658), Increase Mather (1669), Sherwin (1670), Poole (1685), Torrey (1695), Fleming (1701), Cotton Mather (1702), Burkitt (1703), Gill (1748), Thomas Newton (1754), Faber (1806), Keith (1831), Brother Thomas (1849), Barnes (1851), Elliott (1862), Guinness (1888) and others.
The return of the Jews to their land with the assistance and protection of Britain and her allies, as predicted accurately by Brightman (1605), Goodwin (1639), Owen (1639), Mede (1640), Johanna Cartenwright and Ebenezer Cartwright (1649), Durham (1658), Burkitt (1703), Gill (1748), Thomas Newton (1754), Faber (1806), Keith (1831), Brother Thomas (1849), Barnes (1851), Elliott (1862), Guinness (1888) and others.
For the Historicist view of the seals revealed as they occurred. These all thought the seals were being fulfilled then, not in the distant future.
Irenaeus 185 A.D. (only 1st seal), Tertullian 190 AD (1st and second), Victorinus 300 AD, Andreas of Caesarea 520 AD, Primasius 6th century, Aretha, 9th century, Haymo 9th century.